What's up with the ammo shortage?

[jchamberlin]

In support of what Marty Gwin posted to start this thread, I was with my son yesterday in a pawn shop where he was able to buy some ammunition, but no 22LR. The proprietor (in business in the same location for 30 years) told us he had heard the government placed orders for 1.6 Billion rounds of various sizes. I don't know if what he said is true, but what is very apparent is that there is a shortage of ammunition right now, especially 22 Long Rifle. (My son purchased $200 worth of the other rounds he needed.)

 

[dbrant]

I know in ny when gov como was saying he wanted backround checks for ammo in his new law you couldn't get anything anywhere in ny or tristate area. Witch now you need your background check to primers for black powder needless to say ammo is going to be abundent here but a pain in the ass to get

 

[lhinds]

DHS ordered 200 million 40S@w hollow point rounds. Also other orders included 450 million rounds of other size ammo. Acording to my Bing search.

 

[jdiederichs]

it sure makes me scratch my head...why DHS needs ALL that ammo? I read somewhere that their total purchase was around 7 rounds for EACH person in the USA!

What are they gearing up for? Total confiscation...

 

[hydroharry]

This just in - won't be a shortage for long after this gets thru.


Thursday, February 28, 2013The Handguard Ban of 2013
Still from C-SPAN video

Dianne Feinstein sat before a Senate committee yesterday and outlined the details of her new proposed Assault Weapons Ban of 2013. While watching the video on C-SPAN something caught my attention.

At 4:15 in the C-SPAN video an aide behind Mrs. Feinstein unveiled a cue card that displayed a semi-automatic AR15 rifle made by Colt Firearms. Of course the first thing that I noticed was that Mrs. Feinstein had labeled the rifle as an Assault Rifle and not an Assault Weapon. The accepted definition of an "assault rifle" is a rifle that is capable of semi-automatic OR fully-automatic fire. As usual, Mrs. Feinstein is purposely trying to confuse the issue.

The term "assault weapon" was coined by Mrs. Feinstein and crew back in 1993 when they were working on the original Clinton era ban. It was intended to describe not only "assault rifles" (modern sporting rifles like the AR15) but carbines, pistols and shotguns with certain evil features. It too was also intended to confuse the issue and to instill fear in the uneducated by linking semi-automatic firearms (rifles, pistols and shotguns) to military assault rifles which were already heavily regulated, or banned, at the time.

The next thing I noticed was the "barrel shroud". Right below the description for a "barrel shroud" a big red arrowed pointed towards the handguard of the rifle. What? I thought to myself, "Is she really this ignorant or is she trying to accomplish something else here?" That's not a "barrel shroud", that's a handguard!



Brown Bess Musket
The handguard of a rifle is a necessary feature that's been used to protect the shooters hand since the musket was invented. No one in their right mind would grab a bare barrel when shooting a firearm, not even a musket much less a semi-automatic rifle. The heat generated by firing the rifle would quickly make touching the barrel not just uncomfortable but unsafe. With only a few rounds fired a shooter would get 2nd or even 3rd degree burns from grabbing a bare barrel. The handguard isn't an optional item, it's a necessity for the safe operation of any rifle.

I thought for sure this had to be a mistake, perhaps an aide that knows even less about firearms than Mrs. Feinstein was to blame.

Seeking clarity and trying to find the source of this confusion I opened my copy of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013 which is available on Mrs. Feinsteins website and searched for "barrel shroud". There it was on page 11, the definition of a barrel shroud:

15 ‘‘(38) The term ‘barrel shroud’—
16 ‘‘(A) means a shroud that is attached to, or
17 partially or completely encircles, the barrel of a fire18
arm so that the shroud protects the user of the fire19
arm from heat generated by the barrel; and
20 ‘‘(B) does not include—
21 ‘‘(i) a slide that partially or completely en22
closes the barrel; or
23 ‘‘(ii) an extension of the stock along the
24 bottom of the barrel which does not encircle or
25 substantially encircle the barrel.

Model 1917 Enfield
I was floored. She has described a modern front handguard to the letter. She really is trying to make the handguard that (1) evil feature that when coupled with a detachable magazine makes the firearm an "assault weapon/rifle" under the new AWB bill.



The musket would be excluded from this definition as the front handguard only encompasses 1/2 of the barrel... although is 1/2 "substantial"? However the 1917 Enfield, 1903 Springfield, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, Mini-14, AR15, AK, etc. all have "barrel shrouds" as defined by the AWB of 2013.

Couple this with the fact Mrs. Feinstein also bans grenade launchers (already banned), rocket launchers (do not exist on rifles), and forward pistol grips on pistols (already banned) and we see that the AWB of 2013 is another example of poorly written knee jerk legislation. The AWB of 2013 is intended to confuse the public and ultimately make firearms laws so convoluted that through interpretation by the ATF almost any semi-automatic firearm could be banned.
Posted by Military Arms at 8:44 AM

here's a link if you want to read and see the video.
http://militaryarms.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-handguard-ban-of-2013.html

 

[mhomrighausen]

One of the biggest things that we as people have never learned to accept .... is the simple fact that we keep re-electing these people to represent us.

Maybe tonight I'll post the story titled... Why We Needed To Shoot The Village Idiot. It's rather long so it'll be broken into a few posts... That is if anyone wants to read a very satirical outlook at things... AGAIN... PURELY FICTIONAL AND WRITTEN AS TOTAL HUMOR!!! So let me know if you're interested.

Off to work and everyone have a wonderful Friday.

 

[kshultz]

Here is an image of the last three shooters.

 

[jdiederichs]

Harry, thank you for that information. DiFi is a freak that mixes fantasy with little fact.

Marlin, right on, er, I mean write on!

Shultzie, that illustrates the real issue! It is not the gun it is the deranged user. Between them and gangbanger types! Coincidence that the cities with the toughest gun laws have the highest murder rates? There are over 20,000 current gun laws, if these aren't enforced now will adding more make anyone safer?

See how firearms confiscation worked for the German populace under ol' Adolf? How about British and Aussie crime rates worsening since gun bans? But wtf, Ol' Bat Feinstein and Schumer et al know better?

Here is Super Joe Biden based on his remarks in questioning "Just fire your double barrel shotgun through the door if scared" I bet the UPS guy will appreciate that!

 

[kshultz]

This morning I lucked out and was able to buy several cases of ammo. On the way home I stopped at the gas station
and this drop dead gorgeous blonde was filling up her car at the next pump.

She looked at the ammo in the back of my car and said in a very sexy voice,

"I'm a big believer in barter, big boy. Would you be interested in a trade of sex for ammo?"

I thought it over for a few seconds and responded.....

"Well, maybe, but just what kind of ammo do you have?

 

[jbaker]

now thats FUNNY

 

[digger]

I'm thinkin the ammo shortage has given Shultzie dissolution's of grandeur!!!! LOL

On a side note, we ran over to Grand Forks the other day. Stopped in the local farm store and they had tons, just put on the shelf. So I bought a few of this and that and they didn't even ask for a drivers license at the register, which I thought was REAL ODD!

 

[hydroharry]

Charlie - tons on the shelf huh. With the location of G Forks, is it possible it was "imported" from a little north, and no license is needed?

 

[digger]

Grand Forks N.D. and nope on the imported, all Federal, Remington and Winchester brands.
I pulled my billfold out for my DL and she had it rung up and in the bag before i got it out and we left! LOL

 

[hydroharry]

Charlie - hey G Forks is on the "other" (left)side of the border from you. Maybe since you present the appearance of a well resprected law abiding citizen, then you don't need to present any ID.

 

[aaytay]

I stopped into a Gander Mountain store because I was passing by after dropping someone off at the airport. I didn't need any ammo, but cruised through the asile just to see what they had.

"Some" pistol and rifle ammo, but not all of the calibers, and the prices were high. The boxes were out on the shelves with about half of them actually marked with a price. When I asked what was with that, one of the guys looked at me and said, "We put out what comes in and it's gone. No point in even marking it, people are buying it before we can even get it all on the shelf!"

Just then another worker pulls up a PALLET of shot-gun ammo and people start picking over it as if it was food in a 3rd world country.

At that point I left as quickly as I could....

 

[mgwin]

They probably took one look at Chalie and figured he was old enough to buy the ammo!

 

[mgwin]

Ever notice the media only tells the bad news? The other day a gunman went into a local motorcycle store to rob it. There just happened to be an off-duty policeman there, and the policeman shot and killed the robber. This news was only mentioned on the local web news for one day. If the robber had shot the cop, or the citizens, it would have probably made the national news for weeks!

 

[mfrade]

I'm now wondering, with the 85 billion cutback of the gov't., if the shelfs will now magically refill with ammo, since they won't have the cash to pay their bill(s).

 

[mhomrighausen]

I must apologize for not posting this last night however things cames up and I didn't even get on the computer. Once again.... THIS IS WRITTEN AS A SATIRCAL VIEW STORY AND I TRULY DO NOT MEAN FOR IT TO BE TAKEN SRIOUSLY IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM... I MEAN TO OFFEND ABSOLUTELY NO ONE. SO WITH THAT SAID HERE GOES...

Why We Needed to Shoot the Village Idiot

A stranger rode into town one day driving an old blue and silver two wheel drive extended cab Dodge Dakota. Normally people wouldn’t stop and stare at such a sight in other towns however this was a village of citizens that knew everyone of their first two Constitutional Rights and considered themselves to be law abiding citizens as so this story goes.

You see in this town almost everyone had either a mini van with gun hangers along both sides of the side windows for the women or the men folk being the macho guys they were had run racks inside their trucks. What literally made this town so unique was that literally everyone and every creature seemed to carry a side arm. Even the baby strollers had at least one Smith & Wesson on each side of the stroller. Young toddlers with one hand holding onto to their Mother’s hand had a sidearm wrapped around their tiny waists. It was not unusual for dogs and cats to have ammo belts along with the usual leashes. Needless to say such a sight brought a somewhat uneasiness when all a dog or cat would do is when passing each other just continue to look into the other animal’s eyes as they passed. I think it is because of this is the reason that cat and dog fights were a very rarely seen occurrence. Getting back to the babies in the strollers this stranger also noticed that instead of sucking on the usual pacifier each child was suckling upon a bullet shaped replica of some different type of bullet.

Now a little more about what made this stranger so different when after parking his vehicle with literally no bumpers that triumphed for the right to bear arms, or the fact that his truck didn’t have any sign of ever having a gun rack installed. Upon exiting his freshly parked old Dakota everyone warily stared at him and then discovered something drastically wrong with this strange man. “Son of a B****!!!,” shouted Grizzly Thompkins, the towns most respected ( duly noted very easy to agitate and provoke a gunfight at the slightest wrong move by some poor local). THIS guy ain’t even carryin’ a gun!!! What in heaven’s name is happening?”

While everyone around that had heard Ol’ Grizzly’s shout had frozen in their tracks this stranger merely walked up to Ol’ Grizzly and said, “Pardon me sir. However I’ve never seen a reason to carry a firearm of any kind. Even after I got out of the army after being wounded twice while in combat. I hope that I haven’t offended you or anyone since I’ve noticed that this must be a truly law abiding town with everyone carrying a weapon of some sort.”

Now Ol’ Grizzly Thompkins was a man of few words ( at least words that could be put in writing without leaving the bad ones) however for once he was truly at a loss for even one cuss word. After a pause that seemed very long and awkward however it was only about two minutes, Ol’ Grizzly put out his hand for the stranger to shake and said, “Why welcome Stranger. My name’s, Carl Thompkins. However everyone around here calls me Grizzly because they think that I act and look like a mean old grizzly bear.”

OH-MY-GOD!!! You could have heard a pin drop. It had been way too many years since Ol’ Grizzly actually had gone up to anyone and introduced himself by his real name only there was just something about this stranger that totally had won Ol’ Grizzly’s heart. The stranger introduced himself simply as Marlin and said that you’ll never remember his last name but that you will always remember, Marlin.

Upon hearing the stranger’s name, Ol’ Grizzly and the townsfolk all broke out into joyous laughter. They told the stranger of how each and everyone of them had at least one or more Marlin firearm in their collection and though some favored Glocks, others Winchester they all loved and owned their own Marlin.

Now instead of being a stranger this weaponless man was somehow a new celebrity in this town of gun toting citizens. He was offered many jobs and settled upon working in the local munitions plant on the east side of town. That is the far east side of town since many years ago an explosion that destroyed the original munitions factory and half the town had caused the city council to allow the new ammunitions facility to be built exactly two point five-tenths and 127 feet from the east side of the town’s border. This was due solely to the remote possibility that another explosion may occur. However since the town had imposed a non smoking ordinance also at the new facility after the original cause of the first explosion was determined to be one of the smoking locals had lit up in a non smoking area of the plant.

Enough of that and back to our stranger and this town. Marlin soon found himself, being invited to dinners, parties and all kinds of events. People felt safe and secure around him. After all, he was the only one amongst them that didn’t carry any kind of a weapon, except a pocket knife that he explained he carried because he remembered reading of an automobile accident on an interstate and the trapped by his seatbelt passenger was safely removed from the burning vehicle by some passing Amish men that used their pocket knives to cut is seatbelt and pulled him to safety just seconds before the vehicle totally burst into flames.

 

[mhomrighausen]

PART TWO...

But something was different about this man. When people asked about why he never carried a firearm he would explain to them many things. Amongst those explanations was that if he were to robbed the person robbing him would have drawn their gun first, thus giving him no chance to get the upper hand. Another was that he noted that with a policeman carrying a gun at the door of every school and every child carrying a bulletproof book bag along with their own gun of choice, that it would be rather awkward to go to any school event and not being frisked, background checked, and that dread full body cavity search. Plus he noticed how often the alarm went off at the local bank when someone carrying a gun would enter and not being instantly recognized a teller would set off the alarm. He also said that not carrying a gun at all times he never needed to worry about it getting into the wrong hands if he were to put it down while taking a shower or while in the throws of intimacy the gun accidentally going off at the wrong moment. (Footnote here; With horror the local men folk would gasp as he said that he knew of one guy from another town that had conceived a child with another man’s wife because at a very crucial moment his gun went off while half-cocked.) The wife at first had a hard time explaining to her husband just how a bullet hole was put into their new mattress. Ballistic results later proved gun ownership which resulted in a divorce and wound up in a paternity suit.

One day one of the women ventured to dare ask him of is theory as to why some people felt as if they had to be loaded to the hills with guns and ammunitions. Now, in all truthfulness, Marlin explained in great detail that although he had absolutely NO PROVEN scientific facts and this was just his theory the women at that tea party listened intently and clung to his every word.

Marlin began with reminding them of how so many years ago man began to put what they called artificial preservatives and flavors into our foods and maybe after all these years those such things are starting to slowly have long term effects upon mankind. The women were silent as he went on to say how remember how once upon a time it was acceptable for a man to lose his hair and grow old gracefully and one day lose the ability to … “well… you know… get it up for the wife in the bedroom.” Well in recent years science has made so much progress that not only men can grow their hair back but so can women. And there are products for both men and women to enhance their ability to make whoopee, anywhere, anytime, anyplace as long as you first consult your doctor. Marlin went on to say that maybe these products with all their scientific benefits were actually starting to cause harm to mankind’s rational line of thinking and turning everyone into stark raving maniacs of some sort or another. Maybe… just perhaps there was too much testosterone and too much estrogen being released into everyone’s bodies and what were once sensible citizens were becoming zombies or sorts to the almighty NRA.

Well, long story short. It didn’t take long for word to get around town and both men and women (along with some teenagers that were normally just nerds and too busy playing on their computers) to begin talking about that maybe what Marlin was saying made sense and that they should start thinking more about putting food on their tables instead of that subscription about to run out to Guns &Ammo. Maybe they should forgo the yearly membership to the NRA and instead put the money into a savings plan so the family was prepared for a more natural disaster such as a flood or tornado.

Needless to say that along with word spreading like a wildfire about what Marlin was saying it didn’t take long for Ol’ Grizzly Thonpkins to hear this and OH MY LORD… the earth began to shake when he was informed about what Marlin was saying.

In the quiet of night when most normal people were asleep, Ol’ Grizzly assembled a group of loyal followers and it didn’t take long for them to decide there was only one thing to do. Together they must shoot this man down before he totally destroyed all they had ever believed in. It was decided that the following morning, as Marlin took his morning walk down Main Street and enjoying the beauty of the day and before all the locals began their normal business day the deed should be carried out. They all knew that Marlin like to walk down the center of the street and just enjoy the new day’s beginning and give thanks for all his new found friends. After many years of searching he had finally found a place that he cold call and did call, HOME.

Precisely and as usual at 5:30 a.m., just as the sun began its rise into the sky, Marlin began his morning stroll down the center of Main street. Something was wrong for suddenly people came out of the alley ways and storefront doors and began to follow him. All were carrying guns and everyone had a half-crazed look in their eyes. This didn’t bother Marlin too much because he had seen them previously act strangely the day after the fourth of July, two months earlier. It wasn’t until some of them began to form a circle all around him and from out of nowhere Ol’ Grizzly Thompkins appeared.