Archive through February 19, 2010

[fcurrier]

Well, we're gonna try it, again. By this time tomorrow I should be well on my way to Buxton to pick up Don T.'s 450 snowblower and the 1811. I got the trailer hitch on the Jeep welded up, so should be good to go. This process has reinforced my opinion that it's hard to ask for help, communications are important, and if it can go wrong, it will, and it's best not to have anyone to blame but yourself! Have a great weekend, everyone!

 

[dtanner]

Frank C
Please drive carefully and have a safe trip. It just is not worth it if you hurry and get hurt! I know you and also how much you will enjoy parting that 1811. Be safe.... Later Don T

 

[glippert]

Frank C -

<font color="0000ff">("it's hard to ask for help, communications are important, and if it can go wrong, it will, and it's best not to have anyone to blame but yourself!")</font>

Touche' - Have a safe, fun international (pun intended) trip.}

 

[jbaker]

So my question dosnt get lost in all that previous jd talk, Can anyone tell me what gauge of steel our cub frames are made of?

 

[digger]

Jeff B.
You don't have one to measure?
You didn't specify what frame you were looking for the info on.

 

[digger]

BTW,
The JD talk is OVER.
We have an Off Topic section for that. I use it, and so shall you.

 

[kmcconaughey]

Charlie, one last JD post. ME thinks that Lucas is comparing apples to oranges. Kind of like comparing these two and saying the JD can move more snow than the Cub Cadet.

 

[kide]

I could be wrong, but looking at the "slushie" in Time Keefe's transmission and differential would suggest that it had Hytran in it. It looks like a good example of the moisture absorbing qualities of Hytran (looks like it kept it in suspension). Of course, I could be all wet (and covered with slush..).

BTW - thanks, Charlie! I got nuthin' against green, but green trolls belong on the WFM forum in my opinion...

 

[digger]

Kendell I.
I could say something about Tim's tranny issue, but I'm going to plead the Art here!

 

[kmcconaughey]

Charlie, and for those that don't know what that is, Art's old tag line was something like this:

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Never miss a good opportunity to shut up.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

 

[rhickey]

(Jbaker)
I just measured 2 frames in several spots each.
128 wide frame, 0.139 including paint.
107 narrow frame, 0.159 including paint
Much surprized to find my narrow frame is thicker and it is not just more paint !
I am not sure you can conclude much from just 2 examples.
Someone here has some bare frames to measure.

 

[kide]

Charlie:
I didn't say ANYTHING about how or why it was wet, just that the Hytran looked like it was doing its job..

 

[jbaker]

I am not sure how to measure the gauge of steel on our frames nor did I think they would be different. the reason I ask is because a guy at work thinks his new cub frame is stronger and that they use 9 gauge steel for frames on his.

 

[kmcconaughey]

Jeff, just going by the gauge will not tell the entire truth about frame strength. If the wide frame Cubs do have a slightly thinner gauge steel than the narrow frame Cubs, I could believe it. The NF Cubs have a straight channel for the frame, the WF Cubs have a formed frame, at least at the front and the rear section while still a straight channel, is taller. Then there's cross bracing to consider. The WF has a closed front and the NF is open. The NF has the spot welded tunnel, the WF has a bolt on, shorter length tunnel cover.

Narrow Frame.

Wide Frame.

UNDER EDIT: That JD in my photo below has a thicker frame then the Cub Cadet 125 it's sharing the photo with.

 

[dfrisk]

Aren't You Guys all proud of Me for staying out of the FARMALL bashing on the last page...

JEFF B. - re: frame strength, yes, metal THICKNESS is one factor in frame strength, also it's width, length, the number of bends or creases put into the metal, the radii of the bends, type of alloy of the steel, how and where it's welded or bolted, and how the forces are applied TO the frame to measure it's relative strength. They ALL effect it's "Strength".

As a VERY smart Quality Assurance Manager at a machine tool manufacturing company I used to work for told Me one time, "ALL things are PLASTIC, You put enough force on them and they'll bend or break!".

Been a while since I read Viscosity Oil's spec's on Hy-Tan, but I seem to remember it's only supposed to absorb 3-4% of it's own volume of water, I think Tim K's CC has more like 30 to 40% water! I don't know for sure but I suspect the 1965 vintage CC 70 out in the shop has only had the Hy-Tran in the rearend changed maybe 2-3 times in the last 45 yrs. I checked it a year or two ago and it was full of something oil-like, and it doesn't leak.

 

[dfrisk]

KRAIG - I know for a fact a 1X8/9 WF frame is stiffer in torsion than a NF frame.

 

[kmcconaughey]

Denny, agreed.

One more thing on the Cub Cadet frames, the NF Cubs have additional steel plates spot welded into the frame on each side of the engine bay.

 

[bbrigham]

Mmmm...root beer slushie

Every other lubricant I've seen that had been exposed to water/moisture ended up looking like a light chocolate milkshake so I agree...hytran.

Greg...Thanks, I think I will give the solid mounts a try, after I upgrade the cradle. The only time my 1450 sees idle speed is when I'm letting it warm up otherwise it's wfo. My 73 however is rarely wide open, the little short header is a little loud at times. I have seen several small baffles in JP Cycles that would fit nicely inside the pipe so I may give one a try. They're cheap enough that if it doesn't work out it'll be no big loss.

 

[kide]

Brendan:
You could put balance gears in that 1450 if it shakes too much.....

 

[jbaker]

And Brendan if you need any balance gears I have 1 good one for you