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"i hate hydros, i would never put a loader on a hydro there would be way too many controls!"
Let me see... One hydro control lever versus a shifter, clutch and probably a creeper, if you vant the versatility of a hydro.....Yup, makes a lot of sense...
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Kendell-
I have plans of "someday" building a loader for a Cub. When I do I'll probably put it on a gear-drive.

I was originally thinking of putting it on a hydro tractor (I love Hydros!) until it was pointed out to me that a gear-drive allows you to control the forward motion of the tractor with your foot when you're driving into a pile of material allowing you to make loader "adjustments" with one hand while steering with the other.

Sure, I could probably figure up a foot-controlled hydro, but for as little use as this thing will see, I doubt it's worth it. (small, occasional projects, etc..)

Not to mention, a gear-drive Cub fits better into the "theme" I have planned for this tractor.

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KENDELL - I beg to differ, on a GD, foot uses the clutch/brake, quick flick of the wrist to get from gear-to-gear. Don't need a creeper on a loader, in fact a tiller is about the only thing I think a creeper is necessary on. I've blown a LOT of snow with the 72 & QA-38 with 8 & 10 HP engines without a creeper.
I suggest the hydro because it would save a LOT of wear & tear on the clutch when crowding the bucket when loading up from piles of material. And when scraping up loose material it's also nice to have the slower speeds available with the hydro.

Am I getting sent to My room for not agreeing now?
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MATT - a WF frt axle fits on a 100 but I think the WF axle spindles raise the frt end or something. I know it's been discussed, Maybe Art or Kraig can remember.

A 682 w/blown engine for $100 sounds like a GREAT start to a dedicated loader tractor. Just about ANY engine could be dropped in from a K-series Kohler with parts from a 1282 to an Onan.

Back summers when I was in college I worked for the local township road dept. and spent a lot of time on a CASE 530 Construction King tractor/loader/backhoe. We used small limestone ships on out oiled dirt roads, made them almost like blacktop, MUCH better than the sand used years before. We had a C65 Chevy truck under the Krause spreader box to spread the chips with. I weighed one load one afternoon. If I'd have had ANY idea the load was so heavy I wouldn't have driven on the scale for fear of falling thru the wooden platform. Truck weighed about 12,000# empty, maybe just a bit more, and I had over 22,000# of chips in the box. I forget how many buckets that was with the old CASE, something like six to eight, but with the direction reverser, and the torque Converter used to keep the tractor pushing the bucket into the HUGE pile of chips each bucket was full to over-flowing, and I could load the truck in about five minutes.

MATT - Thing to remember about most loader work is the levers for the loader spool valves are side-by-side, one hand works them both, the other hand can work the hydro lever & steering wheel, if You need to stop or slow down hit the clutch/brake pedal.

Others just had this same conversation yesterday or this past weekend on the RPM forum and the outcome was "It depends on what You get used to running".

My two loader tractors, the Super H & M are both "Gear Drive". Not CC's but they still count.
 
Art, Kendell, Matt, my loader tractor, an Allis Chalmers 620, is a hydro with a 3 speed transmission, it has BOTH a hand control hydro lever AND a foot operated clutch, the best of both. I rarely use the clutch, the only time is when I'm using the loader. The clutch came in very handy when I was using the loader to hoist a limestone slab onto furniture dollies on my entry deck. The slab was then rolled across the entry door threshold (over plywood) into the entry where it became a step. I had to have my brother help me muscle the step off of the dollies and into place.

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Denny, if you change BOTH the axle AND the spindles the ride height does not change. Photos are of a 149 with it's original axle (with damaged RH spindle) top photo and of the same 149 with a narrow frame axle and narrow frame spindles lower photo.

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KRAIG - You need to get that 149 a "Sling" for that broken right frt spindle.
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Any of You Guys seen the little "Tractor Cartoons" IH put in Operator's manuals starting back in the '50's, 60's, & 70's?
 
I was looking at a 122 for sale and it had a logo between the IH and the 122, it looked like an apple. Can anyone shed some light on this?
Thank you for the information on the tires, they work fine.

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Brian, not sure what the decal you are referring to could be?
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Denny, the 149's axle went to Art for some project he has in mind... The spindles are still in my shed lean-to. I plan on fixing that spindle, it's just bent. Here's a couple of those cartoons, theses are from the mower deck manual for the Original.

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Here's a comparison photo of the WF axle and NF axle.

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The sticker is on the hood right before the "122". I don't know what it is either but I will find out when I go look at the tractor on Friday hopefully.
 
I found a picture on the internet. Hope this helps. Really just curious. My apple reference probably wasn't the best. Thanks.

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so if i were to put a loader on my 100 should i throw a WF front axle under it? they always looked bigger and stronger to me......

brian that looks to me like a dealer decal, if you know about the forum across the street theres a whole section of them there.
 
I'm partial to NF axles. I've seen a few WF axles do this:

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WF spindles are probably stronger however, and with a little welding can be made much stronger. Though NF spindles can also be beefed up with a little welding as well, umm BTDT.



Yep, that appears to be a dealer decal on the 122.
 
Dennis:
I haven't used a Cub with a loader, just a BobCat and more often, the JD 2355, which is standard high/low range 4 speed w/clutch. It however, has a shuttle shifter for forward/reverse in low range and IMHO, it's the only thing that makes it really usable with the loader, as you can "flick" it on the fly (pushing in the clutch, of course) while you're still rolling. I've never had a standard (floor) shift anything that would easily go from forward to reverse... I do like the setup on the 2355 with the joystick on the right, shuttle on the left, foot throttle/ brakes and a "necker knob" on the wheel. Once you get used to it, you can pretty well "dance" with it... (BTW - did we really disagree???
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Matt: the WF spindles are beefier (except for Kraig's), but most of the loader guys end up with fabricated spindles to beef 'em even more..

Kraig: Ummmmm that looks more like a broken axle..
 
Kraig:
Speed reading - had spindles on the brain ................................
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I have a loader on a 124, and I've not used it other than driving around, and it'll be going on a hydro as soon as I can find a 682. I can't stand it being on that 124...maneuvering in tight spaces is a chore with a gear drive loader tractor.
 
Matt, thats why they invented a creeper. To go slower in tight spaces. I would prefer a gear drive over a hydro because i am worried that i would ruin the the hydro doing some work a little too strong for it.
 
I really like the non-OSHA approved stuff I can do with the 129, like standing along side it and moving it (for example, with the wood hauling trailer behind it when I'm loading cut firewood). Any chore involving lots of forward/reverse is easier with the hydro, like mowing and snow removal.. I hate mowing with any type of gear drive, although the new hydros with a shift gate are as much a PITA as a gear drive..
 
Josh...I'm a gear drive kinda guy but I can tell ya that the hydro will stand up to any work you could put it through. There is a guy near my area that pulls with a Cub hydro.....with a SB Chevy under the hood....
 

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