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It's a shell of a fuel pump off a KT-17, valve housing rotated 90 degrees. I'm doing the investigating, but I think the pumps can be rebuilt with a differnt arm to work on a single cylinder. Either way, I've got a couple sources for used pumps that just need rebuilding to be good as new.
Good eye, that is a Super Cub flange for a straight pipe. Haven't got the pipe yet, but there will be some small fab work for the pipe as well.
It's a shell of a fuel pump off a KT-17, valve housing rotated 90 degrees. I'm doing the investigating, but I think the pumps can be rebuilt with a differnt arm to work on a single cylinder. Either way, I've got a couple sources for used pumps that just need rebuilding to be good as new.
Good eye, that is a Super Cub flange for a straight pipe. Haven't got the pipe yet, but there will be some small fab work for the pipe as well.
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Just back in from finishing planting the beans in the Fall PD 2004 field.
Nothing quite like planting on an open station tractor (IH 656 gas) on a nice night. It's just really cool to watch the muffler start to glow cherry red around the main baffles as it gets darker out in the field...and then to watch the glow move up the pipe toward the raincap as you open the governor up on a long uphill slope (the 6 row 800 pulls pretty hard in soft dirt...just about a perfect match for the 656). The bugs were bad if you ran all of the field lights, so the only light I had on 95% of the time was the big halogen spot on the front axle that's aimed right down the mark (and the soft glow of the muffler
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Nice way to spend an evening with some older IH equipment!!!!! 6 cylinder IH gas motor barking up front and the whine of an air planter behind.....
Nothing quite like planting on an open station tractor (IH 656 gas) on a nice night. It's just really cool to watch the muffler start to glow cherry red around the main baffles as it gets darker out in the field...and then to watch the glow move up the pipe toward the raincap as you open the governor up on a long uphill slope (the 6 row 800 pulls pretty hard in soft dirt...just about a perfect match for the 656). The bugs were bad if you ran all of the field lights, so the only light I had on 95% of the time was the big halogen spot on the front axle that's aimed right down the mark (and the soft glow of the muffler
Nice way to spend an evening with some older IH equipment!!!!! 6 cylinder IH gas motor barking up front and the whine of an air planter behind.....
Bryan/Apostle/Dan- I'm not sure what regular Hy-Tran cost, but last fall I bought a 2gallon jug of HyTran Ultra (all they had), and my wallet got something like $45 lighter. I would've preferred to loose that weight on the other side of the pants, but that's life...
On the subject of hydraulic fluids- there are some things that you just DON'T want to have in your hydraulic system, due to the things that occur in there. One of the biggest reasons why you don't want foaming in a hydro system... is because foamed hydraulic fluid can contain sufficient amounts of air, with just the right amount of fluid... to become a diesel engine. One of my fluid-power demonstrations for hydraulic light-rail brakes utilizes a electrohydraulic unit pumping into a test-load (cylinder with pressure transducer and load-cell). I empty the EH unit, and pour in just a little kerosene, then run the load with minimum cylinder stroke. After it froths, the cylinder pressure jumps from 10 bar to well over 200 bar, and a pressure relief blows... because the Kerosene ignited. It's not unusual for shop guys to mistake the smell of the hydraulic fluid used in these LRT's with Kero, and we need to make very certain that they don't make that mistake.
I don't demonstrate, but make the same explanation for airbrake systems, as it's not unusual for pipefitters to use solvents in assembling brake lines... when you slam 150psi into a brake caliper, or well over 200psi into a compressor housing, anything flammable in there tends to go off.
But there's more to fluids than that... all sorts of lubricity stuff, thermal transfer properties, viscocity changes, but also compatibility with seals, metals, and any other lubricants into which it might come in contact.
Ken- Phooiye on you! I didnt' cut the !@#$'n frame... I cut TWO @#$%'n frames!!! Both were pseudo-nasty, but donated good ends, and the job's so darned clean, that unless YOU lookie real close, you won't be able to tell WHERE I did it. Best of all, on my non-existant budget, I'm putting the thing together (and doing all the stretching, etc) using parts that'd otherwise end up in the scrap pile. I think I deserve a purple heart for saving otherwise doomed Cub-lives, but all you're vending is purple-nurples and cyber-bruises... back into to your crucible, 'ya heavy-metal-smokin' hippie!
...And if I don't like that diesel, I've got a 327 GM Marine motor waiting... but I really wanted to keep that one set aside for a brute-strength 184 with an SM465 and Rockwell axle... mebbie 4wd...
On the subject of hydraulic fluids- there are some things that you just DON'T want to have in your hydraulic system, due to the things that occur in there. One of the biggest reasons why you don't want foaming in a hydro system... is because foamed hydraulic fluid can contain sufficient amounts of air, with just the right amount of fluid... to become a diesel engine. One of my fluid-power demonstrations for hydraulic light-rail brakes utilizes a electrohydraulic unit pumping into a test-load (cylinder with pressure transducer and load-cell). I empty the EH unit, and pour in just a little kerosene, then run the load with minimum cylinder stroke. After it froths, the cylinder pressure jumps from 10 bar to well over 200 bar, and a pressure relief blows... because the Kerosene ignited. It's not unusual for shop guys to mistake the smell of the hydraulic fluid used in these LRT's with Kero, and we need to make very certain that they don't make that mistake.
I don't demonstrate, but make the same explanation for airbrake systems, as it's not unusual for pipefitters to use solvents in assembling brake lines... when you slam 150psi into a brake caliper, or well over 200psi into a compressor housing, anything flammable in there tends to go off.
But there's more to fluids than that... all sorts of lubricity stuff, thermal transfer properties, viscocity changes, but also compatibility with seals, metals, and any other lubricants into which it might come in contact.
Ken- Phooiye on you! I didnt' cut the !@#$'n frame... I cut TWO @#$%'n frames!!! Both were pseudo-nasty, but donated good ends, and the job's so darned clean, that unless YOU lookie real close, you won't be able to tell WHERE I did it. Best of all, on my non-existant budget, I'm putting the thing together (and doing all the stretching, etc) using parts that'd otherwise end up in the scrap pile. I think I deserve a purple heart for saving otherwise doomed Cub-lives, but all you're vending is purple-nurples and cyber-bruises... back into to your crucible, 'ya heavy-metal-smokin' hippie!
...And if I don't like that diesel, I've got a 327 GM Marine motor waiting... but I really wanted to keep that one set aside for a brute-strength 184 with an SM465 and Rockwell axle... mebbie 4wd...
Dang, Dave, where you buyin' that Hy-Tran? I haven't bought any yet this year, but last year I was paying (best I recall) around $18 for a 2 1/2 gallon jug, and around $32 for a 5-gallon container of Hy-Tran Ultra. If your prices are any indication, I'm in for sticker shock when I go for another 5 gallons sometime in the next couple of weeks.
Steve, I never heard a gas-powered 656, but I can tell you the 282D they used in the diesel version had the most unique sound of any IH diesel ever made. Dad had one for 30+ years and I spent many, many hours on it. He no longer has it, but there is a guy living near where he rents some farm acreage that has one, and the sound is instantly recognizeable at distances close to a mile. I can identify that engine as far away as I can hear it - and it's a mighty sweet sound. His 656 was worn almost completely out when he traded it for a JD6400 with loader, and the guy who bought it (not realizing how far gone it was) almost immediately resold it further south. Someday I'd really, really like to track down that tractor and bring it home and restore it, even though it's probably stripped to the bone in a salvage yard somewhere by now.
Steve, I never heard a gas-powered 656, but I can tell you the 282D they used in the diesel version had the most unique sound of any IH diesel ever made. Dad had one for 30+ years and I spent many, many hours on it. He no longer has it, but there is a guy living near where he rents some farm acreage that has one, and the sound is instantly recognizeable at distances close to a mile. I can identify that engine as far away as I can hear it - and it's a mighty sweet sound. His 656 was worn almost completely out when he traded it for a JD6400 with loader, and the guy who bought it (not realizing how far gone it was) almost immediately resold it further south. Someday I'd really, really like to track down that tractor and bring it home and restore it, even though it's probably stripped to the bone in a salvage yard somewhere by now.
Steve-
Is that Cyclo 800 semi-mounted? My uncle said his semi-mounted 12-row Cyclo 900 pulled to one side really bad on account all the opener discs were staggered to the same side. When he switched to a Cyclo 955 that went away because they made "rights" and "lefts" for the openers. Supposedly it's not much of a problem on drawn planters.
Do you have a problem with skipping with the bean drums & their tighter spacing. I don't think it was that long ago that the bean drums went with an extra "false dimple" to help smooth out the the wheel that rolls on the drum.
IH Cyclo planters are pretty nice for their simplicity and accuracy, just haven't heard how long they're keeping them around after the CNH merger.
Is that Cyclo 800 semi-mounted? My uncle said his semi-mounted 12-row Cyclo 900 pulled to one side really bad on account all the opener discs were staggered to the same side. When he switched to a Cyclo 955 that went away because they made "rights" and "lefts" for the openers. Supposedly it's not much of a problem on drawn planters.
Do you have a problem with skipping with the bean drums & their tighter spacing. I don't think it was that long ago that the bean drums went with an extra "false dimple" to help smooth out the the wheel that rolls on the drum.
IH Cyclo planters are pretty nice for their simplicity and accuracy, just haven't heard how long they're keeping them around after the CNH merger.
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C&G still lists 1 gallon of HyTran Ultra at $9.75.
I'm sure the price will (or maybe already has) go up like any other petroleum product. Perhaps Dave's dealer jacked up the price on existing stock
C&G still lists 1 gallon of HyTran Ultra at $9.75.
I'm sure the price will (or maybe already has) go up like any other petroleum product. Perhaps Dave's dealer jacked up the price on existing stock
Robert,
982 questions. I have a similar clearence issue with the mower belt. The belt on mine rubs slightly on the carriage where it engages the left front deck hanger. Sooner or later I am going to address the issue. The rubbing is slight so it not at the top of my list.
My 982 was not charging two years ago. One of the wires from the magneto had a break in it. I would check the resistance in the magneto the reading should be low but not open or short to ground (engine not runnig). Do this at the wires were they connect to the Voltage regulator (top right side of engine attached to the sheet metal shroud.)The mag wires go down toward fly wheel. The voltage regulator ($40-60) could also be the problem. With engine running check voltage with respect to ground at the regulator. Don't remember of hand what the voltage is from the magneto, but it should be higher than 12v(ac setting on meter I think). If you have good (sorry can't remember what good would be) levels from magneto and on output of the regulator, it maybe a problem after the regulator (broken wires, bad connections, etc.). I will look in my Onan manual and see what there is on this.
982 questions. I have a similar clearence issue with the mower belt. The belt on mine rubs slightly on the carriage where it engages the left front deck hanger. Sooner or later I am going to address the issue. The rubbing is slight so it not at the top of my list.
My 982 was not charging two years ago. One of the wires from the magneto had a break in it. I would check the resistance in the magneto the reading should be low but not open or short to ground (engine not runnig). Do this at the wires were they connect to the Voltage regulator (top right side of engine attached to the sheet metal shroud.)The mag wires go down toward fly wheel. The voltage regulator ($40-60) could also be the problem. With engine running check voltage with respect to ground at the regulator. Don't remember of hand what the voltage is from the magneto, but it should be higher than 12v(ac setting on meter I think). If you have good (sorry can't remember what good would be) levels from magneto and on output of the regulator, it maybe a problem after the regulator (broken wires, bad connections, etc.). I will look in my Onan manual and see what there is on this.
Still $4.78 a gallon for Hytranj in this neck of the prairie if you bring you own jug, no matter if it a one gallon or 5, Bring a 30 or 50 and it's $4.00 even. Course you gotta have your wife load it!
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Wyatt,
6 row drawn....I'd hate to pick one of those on the 3pt. with a 656.....that's one heavy planter (remember the 12 row versions had tail assist wheels).
Ours pulls nice and straight, and compared to the old 400 we use to use it's a dream. The bean drum on ours is trouble free. Early drums (corn especially) benefitted from filler strips inbetween the holes to keep the wheels from getting torn up and bouncing.
CIH quit making the CYCLO/Early Riser series a few years back and went to a vac. assist pickup wheel/finger design.....neat planter....it'll plant ANYTHING. Demos had boxes full of mixed candy....M&M's, Skittles, Runts, Peanuts, etc. and it will plant the whole mix just perfect, never doubles.
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6 row drawn....I'd hate to pick one of those on the 3pt. with a 656.....that's one heavy planter (remember the 12 row versions had tail assist wheels).
Ours pulls nice and straight, and compared to the old 400 we use to use it's a dream. The bean drum on ours is trouble free. Early drums (corn especially) benefitted from filler strips inbetween the holes to keep the wheels from getting torn up and bouncing.
CIH quit making the CYCLO/Early Riser series a few years back and went to a vac. assist pickup wheel/finger design.....neat planter....it'll plant ANYTHING. Demos had boxes full of mixed candy....M&M's, Skittles, Runts, Peanuts, etc. and it will plant the whole mix just perfect, never doubles.
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Ya got some winners in the 'hood!
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Ill. Lawnmower Driver Charged With DUI
By Associated Press
Published May 20, 2004, 3:52 PM CDT
FAIRVIEW HEIGHTS, Ill. -- When authorities warned Paul Schwarztrauber Jr. not to drink and drive, it may not have been entirely clear to him that the prohibition also applied to lawnmowers.
The 46-year-old was pulled over this week and charged with riding his lawnmower on a public street while intoxicated and with a revoked license.
Police said Schwarztrauber, who had two previous DUI convictions, had his 1-year-old daughter on his lap. He refused to stop and shouted obscenities when a patrol car arrived responding to complaint about a man driving a lawnmower erratically in the street, authorities said.
"He kept driving for a few moments. One of the officers then walked up to the mower (and) turned off the ignition," said Lt. David Fellows.
It is illegal to drive any motor vehicle while intoxicated and to drive one on a public road without a license, Fellows said.
Police in Fairview Heights, 10 miles southeast of St. Louis, gave Schwarztrauber a sobriety test and arrested him Monday. He remained jailed in St. Clair County on $50,000 bail Thursday. It wasn't immediately clear if he had an attorney.
Schwarztrauber was convicted of DUI in 1983 and 1990. In the 1983 case, he also was convicted of fleeing Illinois State Police, speeding, battery and illegally transporting alcohol.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Ya got some winners in the 'hood!
<blockquote><hr size=0><!-quote-!><font size=1>quote:</font>
Ill. Lawnmower Driver Charged With DUI
By Associated Press
Published May 20, 2004, 3:52 PM CDT
FAIRVIEW HEIGHTS, Ill. -- When authorities warned Paul Schwarztrauber Jr. not to drink and drive, it may not have been entirely clear to him that the prohibition also applied to lawnmowers.
The 46-year-old was pulled over this week and charged with riding his lawnmower on a public street while intoxicated and with a revoked license.
Police said Schwarztrauber, who had two previous DUI convictions, had his 1-year-old daughter on his lap. He refused to stop and shouted obscenities when a patrol car arrived responding to complaint about a man driving a lawnmower erratically in the street, authorities said.
"He kept driving for a few moments. One of the officers then walked up to the mower (and) turned off the ignition," said Lt. David Fellows.
It is illegal to drive any motor vehicle while intoxicated and to drive one on a public road without a license, Fellows said.
Police in Fairview Heights, 10 miles southeast of St. Louis, gave Schwarztrauber a sobriety test and arrested him Monday. He remained jailed in St. Clair County on $50,000 bail Thursday. It wasn't immediately clear if he had an attorney.
Schwarztrauber was convicted of DUI in 1983 and 1990. In the 1983 case, he also was convicted of fleeing Illinois State Police, speeding, battery and illegally transporting alcohol.<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>
Steve B., man I miss riding on the fender of my cousin's 656, ah to be 7-12 years old again. I get to drive it once in a great while, I moved some round hay bales with it last summer but that didn't give it enough of a workout to get that great sound they are capable of. Thanks for the memories. BTW, Nick G. has a beauty.
Apostle Ken, how much are those Hy-Tran banks going for?
Apostle Ken, how much are those Hy-Tran banks going for?
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Hey KentuckyKEN, FWIW on the synthetic oil, I've heard that you can't use synthetic in a new engine becuase the rings will never seat. I know that many vehicles come with "factory fill" mobil 1 but that's what I've been told with any of the engines that I rebuild. I was talking to the amsoil dealer and he said that I should wait 10,000 miles on my new engine before switching to synthetic - I wonder how you're supposed to make that transition without mixing it a little - perhaps you could make the switch and change the oil after only a short period of time to flush out the dino oil. Just a thought . . .
Steve, yeah, I had a good discussion with Nick at WFM Spring Break about it, but I forget what he said was in it. Dang it's tough to get old and forgetful, but somehow, thankfully, I can still remember where I put Cub Cadet photos. )
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Steve, that could be. Nick also has 2 806s in the shed with the 656. One with a loader. Nice tractors.
Nick also has this little tractor.
Bryan, Digger- Thanks for the local price notes on HyTran Ultra. I know I've talked to Keith about it a few times, and he never mentioned the price, so I assumed that Kenau (in DeWitt) wasn't out-of-line on price... apparently they are pretty high. I'll look around and see if there's another local outlet, as I've been using a bit lately on all these projects...
Steve- planting assorted candy, huh? If you figure out how to make 'em grow, let me know, and I'll get one'a them fancy planters and start myself a garden- I always wondered how they got skittles... and I could save a bunch'a money on French Burnt Peanuts.
Steve- planting assorted candy, huh? If you figure out how to make 'em grow, let me know, and I'll get one'a them fancy planters and start myself a garden- I always wondered how they got skittles... and I could save a bunch'a money on French Burnt Peanuts.
