Archive through July 07, 2014

[sblunier]

Steve S.

Put an adjustable link in both sides of the subframe and shorten them up so the lift lever has to travel forward more to lower the deck.

 

[jchamberlin]

Harry, you sure can stir the pot! (Regarding IH manufacture, installation, and assembly of clutch springs.)

Personally, I don't think the Maintenance Minder (or Hour Meter) can be easily reset. I took mine all apart and I don't recall finding any way to reset the thing other than taking it all apart --and I never got mine back together, so . . . I would be hesitant to recommend the practice.

 

[hydroharry]

Jeremiah -(hehehehe) thanks. I just knew the QL clutch springs and most of the other clutch parts weren't painted yellar. I'm also pretty certain Bob's clutch spring is original and came red, but as Steve noted, there is really no way to prove it for certain.
Now, for the MM (Hour Meter) - I was sorta hoping we'd see a pic of the Marketing Sales datasheet where it mentions it can be re-set. I've seen both the original style with the IH emblem, and the later style without the IH emblem, and there is no reset button on either. I'm almost positive this was a marketing literature error.
Maybe Kraig - Oh Great One Keeper of the Photos - has this Sales Brochure in his files.

Steve B and Steve S - Mr. Plow makes a good point for changing the 70/100 deck lift, using adjustable lift links. I don't think they were available until the wide frame units were introduced. They come as 2 parts. Part number 911-3021 is the threaded block, and Part Number 919-3010 is the threaded lift link. (the link screws into the block which is what makes it adjustable). Steve, you're gonna need 2 of each of these parts to make both side adjustable.

 

[dfrisk]

HARRY & All. I think Bob has a mix of repair parts in the clutch of his 1000. MTD started painting most of the repair parts black years ago so parts didn't rust while in storage. I have lots of black parts on my CC's. But for whatever reason, some parts are not painted, parts that have tight fit tolerances to mating parts, like the clutch pressure plates & drive shaft. The only part that doesn't fit that plan is the clutch pressure spring. I've bought several in the last ten years and they were ALL not painted, except the stronger after-market red die spring I got from MWSC. Those are powder-coated by the spring mfg. for quick identification by the tool & die shops using them for their intended use, stamping die stripper springs..

The red spring could be from a piece of C/IH equipment, or maybe Now Holland, or any other company that paints their equipment red.

 

[kmcconaughey]

Thanks to Brian Albrecht, who a few months back scanned a bunch of his <FONT COLOR="ff0000">I</FONT><FONT COLOR="000000">H</FONT> Cub Cadet stuff for me, I do have the Sales Guide with the info on the Maintenance Minder.

 

[kmcconaughey]

BTW, this is the document where the phrase "Quiet Line" appears.

 

[nbextermueller]

(Rolling my eye's) Dennis, I don't understand why you can't believe that the Q/L clutch springs came in red. I understand you bought paint a tires for IH, but did you buy Q/L clutch parts?

You have proven IH didn't paint the clutch parts in house. So I bet they came in red. It's probably the exact same spring and (p/n) that came on the IH 582 my brother and I took clutch parts from. Which had a factory red spring on it.

So few of the IH cubs were G/D in the Q/L-82 series era, that it wouldn't surprise me that those were all the same springs, and they were RED.

 

[dfrisk]

NIC - As a company that was ISO 9001 compliant DECADES before ISO was a world-wide quality system, IH had specifications for everything, in the case of springs, wire diameter, number of coils, free length, ID at free length, pounds of force at a specific length, COLOR, and packaging. Those specifications were ALWAYS required, not negotiable or able to be waived.

The ONLY way I can see LVL using a red spring on a yellow tractor, was if the spring was also used on something else that LVL built in higher volume. I would think LVL would have created a different part number, with an "R" prefix or something to denote a red spring as opposed to the bare or yellow or whatever color the spring was originally.

I can see IH using a red spring on a RED tractor... but NOT a red spring on a yellow tractor. We did do "deviations" from time-to-time, like on my tires, I could always sub 8-ply tires for 6-ply, or ten ply for 8's. We could sub larger radiators from larger tractors onto smaller tractors if they fit, or larger hyd pumps in place of small ones. But the ONLY way a yellow part was used on a FARMALL was IF the whole tractor was painted yellow at customer request, which we did paint tractors 483 yellow probably several once a month. Doesn't matter if the part was internal or external, seen or not seen.

It's not a matter of me "not believing", it's the RULES IH assembly had in place.

 

[jbaker]

 

[hydroharry]

Dennis - we all agree that the engines used in the Quiet Line tractors were black. I believe Bob mentioned his clutch lever was painted black. I've seen and owned a few QL gear drive units and always remember the lever being black and some of the other clutch parts. I think the drive shaft was never painted. I mentioned the steering column tube was black. To me all these parts were assembled after the frame and basic tractor was painted yellar. I just happen to believe the main clutch spring was red. I don't think IH painted any of these. I believe they rec'd them from their supplier in these colors. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Kraig - Oh Great One Keeper of the Photos (and so many other valuable items) - thanks for posting the IH literature. Those IH marketing people really got the MM info wrong. There is no way to reset it. If there was this Forum would have known, discussed, done it thousands of times, a long long time ago. Just about every QL owner would have been there, done that, and got the clock to prove it.

(By the way Jeff - I hope that ain't the buttered type)

 

[bbranstetter]

Finally got the wife's Cub back up and running again. Huge Thanks to Dave Kirk for the parts!!

 

[pbell]

Harry,
quote: ".....sticking to it (even tho Paul Bell said there is no way to prove it)." end quote.

No I didn't.

 

[hydroharry]

Paul - sorry about that, guess I mis-typed (spoke). I recall someone said the paint color or no painting couldn't be proven - maybe it was Dennis or Frank?

Kraig - Oh Great One Keeper of the Photos and lots of other great stuff - can you edit my post below and remove the part where I state "(even tho Paul Bell said there is no way to prove it)."

 

[kmcconaughey]

Hydro,

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Kraig - Oh Great One Keeper of the Photos and lots of other great stuff - can you edit my post below and remove the part where I stated Paul Bell said it?<!-/quote-!><hr size=0></blockquote>

<font size="-1">Done</font>

<font size="-1">Paul,</font>

 

[dfrisk]

HARRY - Question for you and the masses. WHY would IH LVL use a red clutch pressure spring on GD Q/L's? Figure the spray painting would add at least 10-20% to the cost. Why would they specify a un-seen part be painted a different color than ANY other part on the whole tractor?

The prssure plates and drvieshaft were the parts Bob said were un-painted, the pressure spring slips over the frt six inches of the driveshaft, it could just as well remained bare steel with the D/S.

Why take the price hit if there wasn't a valid need for the red paint?

 

[hydroharry]

Dennis - I have doubts IH spec'd the spring to be painted a specific color, but may well have spec'd it to be painted - possibly because it was the same spring used on all the previous gear drive tractors (don't know for certain it was the same spring so that's a wild XXX guess). If I was a supplier to IH back in the day, and they spec'd a part to be painted but didn't specify a color, well the first one that comes to mind to use would be red (but this is all another wild XXX guess). If I had been supplying the spring for years to use on the previous models and painted it red, well I guess I wouldn't change the color unless IH changed the spec (and they probably didn't since the part number appears to be the same 732-3016, used on a 122 and a 1200, and most likely all the others).

Kraig - Oh REALLY Great One Keeper of the Photos and other such items, as well as Possessor Of The Power - thanks for making that change to my post.

 

[dfrisk]

HARRY -I checked a couple models the other day when this first came up, same spring used from 70/100 to the 582 & 1000/1200's.

And IH just didn't let suppliers chose their own paint color. What if some supplier painted an IH part JD green? Or Ford Blue? Or Chevy Orange?

I mean, IH has rules about what brand of truck trucking co's that hauled their freight were able to use. And they just tell a supplier, "Paint this spring whatever color you want..." ??? I don't think so..... If the spring was painted at IH's request, a specific color was stated and an adhesion spec was stipulated.

IH probably had almost as many rules and specifications as the US Army!

And YES, IH wanted IH trucks hauling their freight, but a White, or GMC was O-K too.

 

[sshaff]

Steve B and Harry B -- I forgot to mention that the left side of my subframe DOES have an adjustable link and, in fact, it is set to hold the deck up as high as possible. Although the right side does not have an adjustable link I do get a level cut with the current setup but it's just too short. Would having another adjustable link on the right side force the lift lever to move forward from its current position? This seems odd to me...

 

[jbaker]

Bob, do you know if the spring color is red 2150?

 

[mhomrighausen]

Just my thoughts and experience with receiving a part that was painted or color coded a different color then spec. RED FLAGGED the material immediately. QA was called and calls to the supplier as to why the part arrived in such a matter. When I worked for an aftermarket automotive oil pump manufacturer years ago such a thing did occur and the RED FLAGS went up. I agree with Dennis F. Companies don't just let things like a different color spring or part be casually used just because a supplier sent a different colored part. Such things as springs are crucial and a different color meant different application.

Also, when taking apart an hour meter or Maintenance Minder.... DON'T cut the ring around the top. CAREFULLY & GENTLY <u>BEND</u> it slowly upward as you go around. A little at a time. That way you can re tap the edge back down into place again.