reycling an elec.vehicle..

[gary noblit]

From a good friend employed at metal recycling center::In Mi. at least they can't take elec vehicles in because the batteries do not have a set up for handling them yet...They had to tell someone whose car got crunched they could NOT take the vehicle..It was said the potential customer was quite upset because they had no idea how to get rid of it..How's that for "food for thought"?

 

[jbratton]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing

 

[-CӞ]

owner oughta just park it in the right part of detroit for a couple days . . . *VANiSH*
problem solved.

lotta body shops & service techs want nothing to do EVs, either.

nor were guardrails & concrete barricades designed to stop something of their high density/weight. the (portly) Rivian punches through those like an armor-piercing round!

 

[dschwandt]

Just imagine the hit you would have to take if you had foolishly bought a class 8 EV.
50,000 gallons of water to extinguish one on fire last week after it ran off the road on east bound I-80 w/the interstate closed in both directions for hours.
Yeah, we need more of these on the road!!

https://www.overdriveonline.com/reg...content=09-18-2024&oly_enc_id=3070A2121245H0X

 

[jdrong]

It's a not a talked about subject among the loud minority of believers that climate change can stopped. Those people do not want to talk about recycling of EV batteries....so far there is no environmentally safe way to dispose of used up EV batteries. I read in the news that there was a fire at the Rivian factory parking lot, 60 vehicles were parked there for "repairs", all of them were either destroyed or damaged. The fire department did not try to put the fire out, they only kept it from spreading because it is nearly impossible to completely extinguish a battery fire. I also seen the news report of EV that weighs 2000 lbs or more than a gas-powered vehicle, crashing through barriers designed for the much lighter gas vehicles.

 

[-CӞ]

Also not publicized: EVs are still fossil-fueled. Their chargers are powered largely by coal-fired or natural gas-burning power plants.
Wind, solar, and hydro are all small percentages of the electrical grid’s energy.
Bicycles are really the only “green” vehicle. The rest are phony green.

 

[gary noblit]

David,just read your news add on...Wow!! That was a serious fire!! Once again your gov't knows what's best for you,just trust us....Some of us are getting a tad angry at being told how to live...

 

[gary noblit]

Well guys ,my primary point is we are being told how great EV's are but no one mentioned publically they create another form of very toxic waste on a very serious scale.Some brilliant leader will soon suggest we bury the batt. deep in a hole along with nuclear waste. What an environmentally safe and sound idea. Chris,even bicycles require grease.Horses cause unfriendly gas,what are we to do??

 

[snicklas]

There was just an EV Fire at a dealership here in the Indianapolis area. It was INSIDE the service department, up on a lift. The FD had to work with the techs to get it lowered onto a set of the dollys you put under each tire, get it moved outside, and loaded on a rollback to haul it to a scrapyard. The entire time, the FD had to keep it under control, even during the transport. Fortunately the only that really took any damage was the car.

 

[jdrong]

It sounds like it took over 12 hours for the fire to stop the fire and/or let it burn itself out.

 

[Rgausman]

I am not an expert. Real problem is Lithium-Ion chemistry. When on fire it generate its own oxygen from what I read.

There are other lithium chemistry which are safer.
For example, Lithium Iron just slowly burn.

There is YT video of a company is recycling lithium batteries from hand tools to car batteries. They shred the batteries under liquid into a slurry. Run slurry through process which separate it into plastic, metals, lithium cake.

Personally I do not care and will continue burning diesel. Not my problem.

 

[rkuik]

I am on the local vol F/D as a driver for the tenders, I dont actually fight the fire, but we have had some simple training on EV fires, basically, if no life is in danger, let it burn, we have nothing on the truck to stop it quickly. Pretty scary being told how much better for the world.

 

[jack casey]

It sounds like it took over 12 hours for the fire to stop the fire and/or let it burn itself out.

My good wife, Rose, had a high profile job as legal aid to the EVP at Arabian American oil co. I say this so you'll know she's smart. It came time to replace her car and, I, the technical one in the family was pushing her toward an EV sedan. I gathered brochures, Car & Driver stuff and so on. There's a Mustang Mach E in the neighborhood and was my fave. Nothing doing, say Rose, "I don't want to plan a trip to our country place and need a charging station and what do they do with my dead batteries?" "I read the Wall St Journal and talk to people and will only buy a hybrid."
And so she did. The second hybrid in the family, daughter has a 7 year old Prius, Rose a Lexus.
Cheers, Jack

 

[tkhoffman]

Well guys ,my primary point is we are being told how great EV's are but no one mentioned publically they create another form of very toxic waste on a very serious scale.Some brilliant leader will soon suggest we bury the batt. deep in a hole along with nuclear waste. What an environmentally safe and sound idea. Chris,even bicycles require grease.Horses cause unfriendly gas,what are we to do??

Actually, in NY the politicians were trying to Tax cattle ranches for methane gas created by cattle flatulence. How sad is that!? Cattle ranches are dying out and ourvdictators find it profittable for them to tax something new. Tax money, in their pocket, Doesn't make it all better.
The EV battery fires are hidden by the Media. It's very real. Fire dept organizations do not have an answer on how to extinguish these fires. Homeowners insurance will be dropped if you inform them you have an E car in your under-house garage. Our Dictators are pushing an agenda that The People are not on board with nor do are they getting the facts.

 

[gary noblit]

Tony, I've addressed part of that issue many times over the yrs...When confronted by a vegetarian who wants to discuss "eating meat" .I have asked "Don't you recycle? Of course the answer from veggy man is yes. I simply say" I'm just recycling grass and leaves"...never get comments to that...

 

[-CӞ]

energy sources aside, conventional vehicles seem to have (a.) superior infrastructure support, (b.) longer useful life expectancy, and (c.) are more readily scrapped/repurposed/recyclable once retired.
maybe toyota is wise about hybrid tech over EV.
here, i’m sticking to internal combustion!

 

[dschwandt]

Except in NY where they are trying to outlaw all gas powered lawn and garden equipment under about 20 HP so I was told last week by a NY resident.

 

[tkhoffman]

Except in NY where they are trying to outlaw all gas powered lawn and garden equipment under about 20 HP so I was told last week by a NY resident.

Yup. They have no answers to the long term its allll knee-jerk reactions.

 

[dschwandt]

The voters need to give a bunch of them politicos a dam knee jerk, right the he!! outta office!
But then again, a bunch of them are unelected bureaucrats which make one wonder just who INH hires those clowns in the first place

 

[jdrong]

I would say that if you really insist on doing your part to save the environment and slow down climate change, (I don't believe we can stop climate change, it's been going on for millions of years, if you believe the science.) buy a hybrid at least you can drive more 300 miles before needing a battery recharge. Just don't ask what happens when the batteries wear out. I can only imagine what kind of computer complications can arise after years of switching back and forth from gas to battery and the gas engine shutting off and restarting after every stop.... Then the batteries die, will the gas engine even start anymore?