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BILL J. - The +.003" rings were available years ago. Not sure about now since many many things have gone NLA.

A valve clean-up, light honing of the cyl. & new rings can make a good engine. When I rebuilt my K241 almost 30 yrs ago money was tight, and the K241 had serious issues, but surprisingly the cyl walls were in decent ahape. The shop I took it to suggested KNURLING the piston, new rings, new conn rod, grind the intake valve and a new exh valve, plus plane the head smooth & flat, it was warped over 1/16th inch.

That engine ran HARD for almost 1400 hours in 20 yrs. When I pulled it apart a couple years ago I was aurprised how good the cylinder walls were with over 2000 hours on them. The factory original piston was knurled for the last rebuild, it'll get a +.010" piston this next time.

NIC B. - It's a shame what the EPA has done to the new diesel engines. The exh. pipes on them actually stay perfectly clean, or at least they should, NO soot or carbon inside them at all. Diesel rated oil actually has more detergents in it, those oils are coded C-something, like CD, CJ, CI, and even CI-4, etc. Spark ignition engine oils, for cars, etc are coded S-something like SJ, SI, etc. The diesel engines still create lots of soot, and that requires the heavier dose of detergents even though newer diesel's seldom ever emit visible black smoke. The "DEF", Diesel Exh. Fluid, along with additional diesel fuel is used to burn off the soot accumulated in the soot filter on the new engines. The new diesel engines that do use DEF seem to perform better than those that don't use it.

Diesel engines have higher compression pressures than car engines due to the high temps they need to fire off the injected fuel, typical compression ratios are 14 to 18+ to 1, cranking compression should be over 400 PSI to get the temps necessary, but the valve seat pressures are actually fairly low. You compare the valve spring pressures required for a high winding small block capable of running 5000-6000+ RPM and they have much higher valve spring pressures, and lifter to cam load pressures than any diesel. Those small blocks need the ZDDP, my old '96 PSD actually has roller cam followers & rocker arms so actually doesn't need much if any ZDDP at all, but according to Rotella's tech line when I called them last week, they still put 1400 PPM of ZDDP in all their diesel oils which is enough to prevent cam/lifter wear on any diesel or Kohler & Onan engine.

But I agree with your bottom line, Diesel oil is a better oil. I use it in ALL the old engines of my Farmalls & Cub Cadets. Not sure what Dad used in the '51 M for oil, or how often he changed it, but it was sludged up pretty good when I got it 6 yrs ago. I know for sure he used detergent oil, but two changes with 15W-40 Rotella T and ALL the sludge was gone. When I had the valve covers off my PSD around 250,000 miles to replace the glow plugs there was NO SLUDGE anywhere inside the valve covers. Rotella's stronger detergent package works GOOD!
 
Harry,

I am/was unaware of any .003 over pistons made by Kohler (I'm a bit younger than most on here, 31) but if they did and you had one that great! Switching to that piston vs. one that is .010 is no different except you got to skip the cost of a re-bore. So kudos to you my friend. As long as you measured, assumed, or hoped it was within spec and its working with out seizing or beating the crud out of the trust side, you made the right choice. But of course it would have been best to verify the specs with a dial bore gauge and a big micrometer.

I wish more of those pistons were around for us now.

Adam,
I read here daily and never noticed anything to silly or out of place (at least not from your screen name!) but that doesn't mean Charlie or one of the Mods wasn't keeping things clean and on topic.
But thank you for keeping things on the up-and-up.

I'd have a few choice words for those "relatives". That's identity theft to knowingly use someone else's login to try to pull any kind of crap.
 
Wow, there's a ton of info on oil in the few posts here from last night and this morning! Just think how many people would have missed out on this if this was a "threaded" forum...

Nic, great description on how synthetic oil works. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Denny, 'nother great post on oil.
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The weather here has been soooo nice for quite a few days now...high 70s to low 80s (sorry Charlie). I had Bull (the 108/128) out pulling the leaf trailer yesterday and got two measly loads to the woods. The leaves are just starting to really fly off of the trees so I really should wait another week or even two. We're starting to feel the side effects of the current hurricane that's out in the Atlantic so I've been out putting things up that need to stay dry. I sure do need an indoor working area and think I'll start cleaning my little shop which will hold one cub at a time. Right now it's a big tool bin and I work right outside.

The 124 I was working on is still not running. I turn the key and the solenoid makes a winding noise vs a clicking sound and I'm getting no power to the s/g at all. Can there be something that destroys solenoids quickly??? because I had the engine turning the other day when the dipstick was doing its dance. That stopped and the winding noise is all I get now. I guess I ought to bite the big one and get a wiring harness and just start from scratch. This has been such a neat little yard puller for a couple of years now and I miss having it available. My hunting buddy also used it to set his trail cams, etc. We call it his "poor mans 4-wheeler".

Anybody got any ideas???

(just another bit of rambling I suppose)
 
Nic/ All:

The .003 over piston/rings set still is available until stock is depleted, however the cost is tough to swallow! For K321> $ 173 and change!
 
Clark, is you are still confused, go to the Topics page, scroll down to wiring diagrams.
The colored drawing are very good and clear. Follow the wires to the coil and you will see the correct way it should be.
And yes, it will probably run if they are reversed. But you'll notice a difference.
 
Wayne-It has to be a bad connection or a bad ground somewhere. Check all connections, even the ones you may not suspect.
 
WAYNE - about 16-18 yrs ago I tried to get a Jump on the leaves from all of my trees on my 2 acres. SON & I spent at least ONE full day, sometimes both Saturday & Sunday, mulching, sweeping, & hauling leaves for SIX weekends in a row. We'd block off the discharge chutes on the mowers and mow, chewing the leaves up and kinda windrowing them. Then the 129 would go on the lawn sweeper, the 72 on the little cart. Three dumps of the sweeper and the cart was full and off to the burn pile I'd go while SON swept the next load. Without mulching the sweeper would fill up in 30-40 feet under the Maple trees. Even with mulching he'd be full in 60 feet. Areas away from trees he'd get longer distances.

That was the time when plans were made for my home-made lawn vac. Dad saw a used CC with a factory made lawn vac sitting along a heavily traveled road one day and called me to see if I was interested. It was 200 miles away, but unseen I said "Offer him $200 for just the vac!". He went and talked to the guy and he would only sell them together. I seem to remember he wanted $500 for the tractor & vac but I didn't want or need another CC. I never even knew what brand it was. I saw an Ohio Steel Fab vac at my local CC dealer one Saturday, but I understand a mechanic at the dealer bought it before it was even unloaded from the truck. So I built my own! Raking by hand on two acres is NOT an option. IMO, the sweeper was better at getting all the leaves up, but involved MUCH more manual labor unloading the sweeper hopper and hauling them to the burn pile. Even with my vac and the fact it really blows & settles/packs the leaves/clippings into the built-up cart I normally get 25+ leads of leaves. Last spring I had the lawn get a little shaggy before I mowed the second time and I got ten loads of straight grass clippings in 3-4 hours one afternoon. I mowed everything one day, then 3-4 days later mowed/vacuumed everything after the old clippings dried out.

JIM D. - Back when I rebuilt my K321, seems like it was in 2003, a +.010" piston, rings, wrist pin was something over $100, maybe as high as $115... I'm too scared to look at the invoice. Nice thing about a +.003" O/S is you should still be able to get three more rebuilds, +.010", +.020", & +.030".

But rebuilds are cheaper than re-powers with something that needs considerable rework to fit now days.
 
I want to give a big thanks to someone on here who mentioned that you can use baby powder to find oil leaks, tried it and it works great.

When I retired from Freightliner we were using Diesel Exhaust Fluid for emissions along with catalytic converters. When we got our first shipments of Diesel Exhaust Fluid it was all labeled Urea. Think they changed it to DEF after everyone found out what Urea really is.
 

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