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mgonitzke

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Loader progress...I tackled the pump mount and front mount for the braces. I was able to make them one and the same, or at least that's the current plan. I have to cut a few more things yet and this should be ready to weld. Then I just gotta get the subframe finish welded, brace the uprights to the front, get a belt, rebuild the cylinders and valve, and off I go!

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Those slots for the belt tension sucked, but not as bad as the ones in that rectangular tube...
 
Marlin H....Boy, you almost gave me a true Senior Moment with the steel rims credit....I really didn't remember making them, but lately a huge dose of CRS has made life difficult, but am glad you found the TRUE creator of a unique set of wheels.

Your gift of knowledge, and sharing it with us here..is something very special....thank you !!!!

Rick
 
Dan Tanner - Don Tonner - aw heck, lets just go with DT (hehe)

Robert C - I wasn't trying to scare you off a 1650. As for repairs being costly, could be, or maybe not. I have no experience with a "hydro slipping" so it was only a guess about fluid or the crud, but seems logical possibility. My experience with Hydros is jumping, lurching, jerking, etc. I'd have some concern that slipping could be the "engine" loosing power rather than a hydro issue. Overall, if you can get it for the right price it won't really matter what the repair cost is (huh?)

Hydro Harry
Old Cubs Never Die (but when they get close they do start jumping/jerking/lurching/kicking and other common things associated with mules)
 
Robert C - forgot to mention Port Orchard is the other side of the Puget Sound. I'm on the Seattle side but have been there a couple times. I need to explore that side more - just can't hardly find any Cubs out here.

Hydro Harry
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Robert C.,
My hydro unit started slipping also at 1 of Steve B's plow days when it got hot. I bought a used one from a 149 for $50 and now it is back to better than normal. I never knew this tractor could go that fast. It goes faster than any of my other hydros and I can no longer pull a 10" Brinly plow with the hydro lever full forward. I can come close but run out of power.
 
WES - You were at PD #2 correct? I remember a couple Hydro's suffering with the heat THAT day!

Marlin would be the EXPERT on this, but I seem to remember some discussion years ago about modifying the internal trunnion that moves the swash plate in the hydro to allow faster speeds, mostly in reverse.

I think it's pretty interesting that IH's hydros in the big tractors is so similar to the 15U in CC's, except IH used a piston pump AND motor, not just the motor like Sundstrand did. IH also had a 2-speed gearbox to allow higher oil flow thru the hydro for slow speed & high torque operation. Seems like they claimed 8 mph for low & 20? mph for high.

ROBERT C. - Like WES says, if that 1650 is in decent shape, don't let concerns about the hydro stop you if the price is right. They are a really durable transmission, and replacement hydro's are fairly cheap and easy to install.
 
Question; I finally got the 128 I bought started. Sounds like it has a bad rod bearing. Other than buying new engine which I cannot afford. Should I try to repair the engine or try and find an engine from another 128 or???
Thanks in advance for advice,
Bob B.
 
Robert B...I'm sure you have diagnosed your problem correctly, but sometimes a sloppy PTO clutch will knock like something is amiss in the engine..

I would rebuild it if it were me..depending on if it were bored before...believe you can go .030 on the bore....a new bore and crank if needed, you will have an engine to last for many years.

JMHO....YMMV...etc....
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BOB - A "New" Kohler K-series really isn't avail. anymore. There are rebuilt engines available from some sellers on popular auction sites but you never REALLY know what you get with them I suspect. There also are a couple places that specialize in "re-power kits" for small engine powered equip. but I've never really ever heard of anyone putting a newer engine in a CC to replace a Kohler K-series.

A K301 (12 hp) Kohler from any prior CC should fit in your 128. The next models newer (the 1200/1250/1282) had lots of changes and that makes them too hard to swap IMHO.

If your CC has the frt PTO installed, check to see if it has the anti-rattle clips installed. The pto pulley & fiber disc rattling back & forth sounds exactly like a rod knock. Maybe engage & disengage the PTO several times with the engine running but no belt on the pulley to see if the knock changes and/or goes away.

If the knock persists, I would drain the engine oil, pull the engine, flip it over, pull the oil pan and inspect the lower end of the engine. See if the rod is loose on the crankshaft, or the camshaft has excessive end play, or the balance gears (if they're there) are loose on their stub shafts.

There's really not much to these old Kohler K-series, but there are several places things can sound like a loose rod bearing. The actual bearing surface on the rod is a plated or coated material applied to the actual diecast conn. rod, there's no actual replacable bearing insert like on most other engines so the whole rod has to be replaced. Undersized rods are available from Kohler and the aftermarkey, but it's good practice to grind the rod journal on the crankshaft before installing an undersize rod. The clearance tolerance is VERY tight.

A complete rebuild with OEM parts, O/S piston, rings, new rod, all gaskets & seals, new exh. valve, with boring/honing & valve grinding done by a competent local shop, and assembled by YOU should run in the area of $400-$500. If you use good aftermarket parts, the total could be about $100 less. I left a little "Cushion" in those totals for new plug, plug wire, points & condensor, carb rebuild kit, and maybe a points pushrod.

If your engine seems to run O-K, doesn't smoke, and runs smooth, no missing or surging, I suspect you'll find the PTO clutch is the source of the knock and speaking from personal experience, they can knock for THOUSANDS of operating hours.
 
Chris E., Paul B., anyone. I believe I poorly worded my post regarding the steel wheel Originals.

I was led to believe that this one:

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...the one in the above photo, belongs or belonged to Robbie S.

I was also led to believe that this one:

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...in the above photo, belongs or belonged to Steve Urschel.

I had added their names to the photo image files right after Plow Day 4 where I took the photos, and I seem to recall that Steve Blunier is the one that told me who they were.
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Steve?

Also, if you compare the wheel spokes on the one above that I thought belonged to Steve Urschel, to this one in the photo below:

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...the spoke pattern is the same. I believe these are the same tractor or at least the same wheels. The tractor with the guy in the red jacket (Steve Urschel???) was not yet restored when it was at Plow Day 4 and did not have fenders.

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Dennis Frisk
I hope that you or some one can answer a question that I have wanted to ask for a few years now. Can the Rod on a K be bored larger to accept a sleeve bearing like a car engine uses? I was thinking that if one could be installed it would make the K run for a lot more years I think. Just a thought !
The 12K I have here the crank has all ready been ground to .10 over and a new rod. I must ask at the machine shop when I see them next week. I want to get my 125 running and then all my Cubs will be used. Thanks Don T
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DONALD - Answer is YES, in fact the conn rod in my K321 has a Clevite 77 bearing insert in it. I don't think the stock OEM diecast rod is strong enough to bore & install a bearing insert but with the forged ALCOA rod it's pretty common. My rod is even off-set bored to pop the piston up slightly in the cylinder, effectively makes the rod a bit longer. I was told .020" longer but according to the CMM at work with a VERY experienced operator manning the controls (She woked in QA @ B&S for 10-15 yrs!) I didn't get but about .010"-.012" increase. As I've said before, I would NEVER recommend the supplier I got my conn. rod from to anyone else.
 
Kraig,

Who's on First?

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Kraig,
I don't remember seeing the one you say belongs to Robbie S, although I was at that plowday I believe. The one with the Mott Flail mower that I thought was the Urschels (still think so) makes me think that picture was taken at an indoor show in Auburn, IN. If so,I may have some more pictures of it. I'll have to look, my pictures are not as organized and as easy to find as yours.
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Kraig,
I found these taken at Auburn,IN, 2004, didn't take as long as I thought it would. Harold Schramm's 411 had just been finished and this was it's first show. The M&W belongs to "Geezer" and he had just bought it from Mike and was on his way home with and stopped at the show. You will see the steel wheel O in a couple of pictures, and this show was only about 50 miles from where the Urschels live.
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Harold Schramm on the right, Hank Will center, and I'll not sure who is on the left, but I think it is Harolds brother.
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Harold and 411, with the steel wheel in the background
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Geezer's M&W
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Paul, I agree with you, I believe the one with the Mott mower belongs to one of the Urschels and I believe that it is the same one that was at PD4 with the guy in the red jacket driving it. It was just in a pre-refurbished condition with a dark green engine and no fenders.
 
Kraig, that is Steve Urschel in the red jacket on the O at plow day
 
I got the front brace/pump mount tacked together and on the tractor.

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It's amazing how dimensionally different the 682 frame and the spare frame I've been using as a jig are. What fit the extra frame perfectly had to be tweaked a bit to fit the 682. I had to cut off the part that mounts to the QA horns on the frame and move them forward so that the bolts could be put in. I'm going to bolt this on where the shoulder bolt for the QA used to be, and then bolt it to the additional set of holes in the frame that's about 3" forward of those. I had an 'Oh, $@#!' moment with this...who can see why I've got to put a countersunk bolt in the front hole in this picture?

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I have about 1" to 1 1/4" clearance between the loader and nosepiece on the tractor when it raises. I wonder if that's enough?

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I clamped a piece of wood between the stanchion and the pump mount to see what the brace would look like. It looks like it was a good idea to only tack on the piece where the brace connects, as I think there should be more space for the tire in here:

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It's coming along nicely now, but next week is really gonna slow me down, as I'll be busy with other things.
 
MATT - Clearance between the steering arm on the left spindle and any bolts there on the left frame rail is really sparce. IH even used slotted truss head bolts to mount the mule drive on 70/100's in that location. WF's may even be worse than NF's.

Your making good progress! And I think 1-1/2 inches between the loader arm cross member and grill casting is enough. If anything moves, you got bigger problems than a cracked grill casting.
 

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