Archive through December 29, 2010

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Ah some time in my shop today,wife is back at work and I can get out of the house.

Melody Schutz

I have a dual valve and want to run hyd lines to the front and rear on my 149. I have a 54" Ih blade and also want to use my dump trailer behind my 149. I will have to order from Arron some parts this winter to get it done.I like the idea of power angle on the blade.

 

[dfrisk]

Ahh darn, I missed the discussion last night about the GD & hydro rearends! I agree with Steve & Matt. Two different castings entirely, just similar on the back half which probably resulted in them both being machined on the same machine tools.

Paul B would know for sure but LVL has IH's biggest foundry, think their only forge shop, and had almost as much machining capability as FARMALL. So I imagine the two different castings ran thru the same machining centers with very little in the way of changes to the tooling & fixturing setups.

Machining technology wasn't as automated back in the 60's & early 70's but IH knew how to make the chips fly. I imagine the machine cycle time on a CC rearend was five minutes, maybe six. And setups from GD to hydro took maybe an hour, with the first piece or two going thru a complete QA check before allowing the machine to run. Bearing bores are critical dimensions in both diameter and location, I suspect size is held to a few 1/10,000's of an inch and location within 1/1,000"'s.

They probably ran the respective castings (GD & hydro) thru the foundry once a week and machined them just a day or two after they were poured, after they came back from being sealed at the outside painter.

IH was into JIT but still ran material in "batches" on the higher volume parts. The technology didn't exist yet to run mixed model production where major castings could be run in the order of assembly schedules.

I was a production scheduler for almost a year @ FARMALL in the mid-1970's. We seldom ever got more than five to seven days ahead of the line on the gears that ran thru the departments I scheduled. I was in charge of the last department before heat-treat which would take anywhere from twelve to 30+ hrs, then the parts had to be finish machined, bearing & seal diamteters ground, those operations ran in maybe a minute, and setups seldom took over ten minutes. They would run from a few hours to maybe a day's worth of parts and go to the next hot part.

 

[kmcconaughey]

Seeing that the hole in the back of the casting was there on the Original and the Farmall/International Cub, I highly doubt it was for a breather on the Hydros. What's more interesting to me is that the two outer holes disappeared after the Original...

 

[kmcconaughey]

Looks like those two outer holes were for the seat mount on some versions of the Cub. I suspect they also had other uses as well.

Paul B., any input?

 

[mgonitzke]

I believe a 982 has those two holes, and that's where part of the rear PTO for them attaches.

 

[mschutz]

Don T, Glad to see your still out and about. Seems to me there was some discussion on here about putting on a power angle last year. Hope you had a good Christmas.

 

[mbest]

The holes on the cub transmission was for the rockshaft to the rear lift on a farmall cub. The original had them because in the beginning they were pull parts from the cub line, the laters didn't because they didn't have a use on a cadet and it saved time not to machine them out.

 

[ljones]

I went to check the oil on my 122 and it was realy low filled it up and noticed a puddle oil in front of the tractor

I think it is coming from the front main berring seal.

How hard is it to replace, can I replace it while the motor is still on the tractor?

 

[mbest]

here is what I'm talking about.

 

[kmcconaughey]

Mike, I had found a photo of that rockshaft in my archives but it was not a good one and I was not certain if it was an owner mod or not. Thanks for the info. Also the Original used the two outer holes to mount the seat and the fender pan.

 

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Kraig McConaughey "Keeper of the Photos"

At 8.26 you posted a picture of a red Cub. I drove one when I was young that had a throttle button under the dual brakes. Just a round button that I used more than the handel on the steering colum rod.I would love to have one here

 

[tteague]

Thanks again boss man!And thanks for the key chain. Very cool! I still have the blade on the 147. But I sure hope we get a good snow this year so I can hook up the blower. Honestly, I don't really need a blower here. But I couldnt pass up a QA 36 for 100 bucks!! I really would love one of those cub 268 snow blower, is it? Maybey I got the numbers wrong...265.. 268..Whatever...Kraig, you got a picture of one? Walk behind IH snowblower? very cool!

 

[kmcconaughey]

 

[pbell]

Other than the Cub and the Original, the 3 holes (red sq) were not used on the Cub Cadets from the 70/100 and up, as far as I know (don't know about the 982). The hole in the black sq is there on all the castings, gear and hydro, and I assume it was part of the casting and probably used to help index the casting during the machineing process, and then drilled thru to vent the hydro case. Just a guess.

Denny,
I don't know if the Foundry and Forge at Louisville Works was the largest IH had or not, but it was big. It opened in Jan 1949 and the first thing made or poured was the little cast iron bears that are so collectable now. The foundry/forge had the capacity to make everything Louisville Works needed, plus they did contract work for other companies such as American Motors engine blocks, crankshafts, etc (late IH pickups and travelall's used some AMC engines) and some engine blocks etc. for Cummings. When the Louisville plant closed, the foundry/forge continued in operation with a small core of workers to finish up some contract work. When that was finished, the foundry and forge was sold and continued in operation as Louisville Gear and Forge until the Airport Authority was able to relocate them in the late 90's and then the complete IH facility was torn down to make room for airport expansion.


Steve,
I have a Cub Cadet Power Equipment Attachment Guide, Form No. 772-3879 R10/89, that list the S/N ranges of the IH CC's and the CCC/MTD models to 1990. It first list's the 1282 as a 1982 model, and groups it along with the other "IH" and CCC 82 series for 1982, in the S/N range of 700,000 to 712,899. It also does not identify the 582S as a model with the IH built 82's, but then there are also some other discrepanies in the guide pertaining to the IH built models. You are probably correct about the "S" being a late bloomer.

 

[dfrisk]

PAUL - To be quite honest, I'm not sure when exactly FARMALL closed their foundry, but ALL that remained when I was there was the sand shed, used to store a couple company straight trucks. I think the last engines FARMALL made were the big 4-cylinders, for the 350/450's in 1957. The in-line 6's for 460/560's were made at Indy I think, I was 5-6 yrs old when those tractors were being built! The 2-3 C263's used per day in 1976 & '77 in 686/H86's came from Indy I know.

Pretty sure almost ALL the iron used @ FARMALL was from LVL, and a little from Memphis, and a little more from INDY, nothing from Waukesha, WI, And all the forgings also came from LVL.

I actually talked to the salesman (can't remember his name) from LVL Gear & Forge at the company I was casting/forging buyer at about 18 yrs ago. I took him on a plant tour and he said for our volumes we were doing things the right way, he really couldn't help us much. I only had ONE closed die forging, all the rest were open die and BIG. And there's an iron foundry in about half the small towns in WI so he didn't even talk about castings.

PAUL, STEVE - re: the 582S/1282 start dates. I suspect that any plans IH had were cut short my the sale of the CC line to MTD, but those suppliers like Peerless, Kohler, etc all had contracts with IH that they intended to ship parts on, IH typically had a FIRM commitment period of 2-3 months on PO's. I suspect due to the commitment IH made MTD had no choice other than building those other models since they got the parts whether they wanted them or not. A project like pulling a specific product line like CC's out of a manufacturing plant that's continuing to run is a VERY messy deal what with all the small shared parts between the CC line & other equip. LVL was making.

 

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Paul Bell
Do you know how far that casting aligment hole goes back in years ? I would think in any mold there are casting points.

 

[dfrisk]

DONALD - re: "Casting points"? You mean Witness points which accurately locate the raw casting inside the machining fixture? Yes, there are witness points in most CC castings, but not all. Depends on the casting, how many close tolerance dimensions and expecially wall thickness requirements (strength) there are, and the shape and machining process used to rough the casing.
And typically, witness points will be a "positive" on the casting surface, meaning it sticks OUT, any small diameter flat bottom hole would be avoided at ALL costs, due to the chance of burned in sand being at the bottom. There's NOTHING worse than trying to machine metal littered with burned in sand, takes the cutting edge right off of the cutting tools!

For the most part, all IH's foundries were REALLy good, didn't run much scrap. I remember a one or two low volume service parts they struggled with but that didn't happen very darned often.

 

[aaytay]

"...plus they did contract work for other companies such as American Motors; engine blocks, crankshafts, etc...and some engine blocks etc. for Cummings."

Paul-
Interesting info. Is there any data as to WHAT engine blocks they produced for American Motors?

<font size="-2">It would be cool to have an old Jeep with an <FONT COLOR="ff0000">I</FONT><FONT COLOR="000000">H</FONT>-poured block in it...</font>

 

[wmakowicki]

Compression question, Twin cylinder engine with 120 /110 PSI is the 10 psi telling of a failing cylinder? Both plugs look good, power is fine just dealing with oil coming out one of the PCV tubes. The motor sat for a few years before I bought it. It also leaks oil from somewhere I believe the front seal.

 

[proessler]

Art, Dane County Hwy. Dept. in early '70s had IH 3/4 T crew cabs with 258 inline 6's (AMC) & 4speed. Maybe IH & AMC did factory to factory trades. Wikipedia states the 258/6 was made '71-'90 along with 232/6 that IH used in light duty trucks that would be excellent Cub Cadet haulers!

Maybe we need to start somewhere else, Hey Denny...