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Charlie, I couldn't imagine you changing anything: that's just not the way you roll.
After all, as I pointed out, they have a PUSH MOWER depicted for Model 1110 under Lawn Tractors; and we don't know what kind of Garden Tractor Model 1100 is-- all they show is the engine.
So, I'm with Charles Matthew Wayne Krill, MTD messed up.
Edit: Lonny, your tractor sounds a bit "confuguliated" to me, I think it deserves its own category, hence the "Special" designation.
After all, as I pointed out, they have a PUSH MOWER depicted for Model 1110 under Lawn Tractors; and we don't know what kind of Garden Tractor Model 1100 is-- all they show is the engine.
So, I'm with Charles Matthew Wayne Krill, MTD messed up.
Edit: Lonny, your tractor sounds a bit "confuguliated" to me, I think it deserves its own category, hence the "Special" designation.
Here's my definition: Garden Tractor = a small tractor with the capability to attach and effectively use ground engaging implements, specifically a rear lift and a turning plow, as would be used in a garden to work the soil.
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Kraig, Charlie, and Lonny: This whole business of distinguishing a Garden Tractor from a Lawn Tractor as it applies to specific models of IH Cub Cadet Tractors still has me a bit confused, perhaps since most of my knowledge of them comes from perusing web pages like this one.
IH seemed to include 482 together with the 582, 682, 782, and even 982 in their mowing deck manuals for the 38, 44C, and 50C decks, which would be understandable, since the task of mowing is shared by Lawn and Garden Tractors.
But when I went to Parts Lookup to see just what distinguished a 482 from the other members of the 82 series, I was rather surprised to find it could be equipped with a sleeve hitch.
So it would seem to fit part of Kraig's definition of a Garden tractor --it has a lift.
However when I pulled up the clutch components, I found the same components Lonny described for his 582 Special:
The combination shaft/right angle/belt/transaxle combination seemed to be identical to what is found on the 582 Special, which does not compare to what is found on the standard Model 582:
Which mates to the traditional IH Cub Cadet carrier assembly:
Although I won't post diagrams, the frames of the 582 and 582 Special differ slightly to accommodate the differences in the drive components. The Category 0 hitch available for the 582 is also more robust:
Since most of the Cub Cadet tractors used the simpler Sleeve Hitch shown above for the 482; the distinction between a Lawn and Garden Tractor, as far as this forum goes, seems to hinge on the configuration the drive/axle/carrier combination.
The automotive-style rear end is certainly a prominent feature and accounts for much of the weight of the traditional IH Cub Cadet (and CCC) tractors and would appear to meet or exceed the emphasized portion of Kraig's definition, --to EFFECTIVELY use ground-engaging equipment.
By this definition, Lonny's 582 Special would seem to be out of the running as a Garden Tractor, even though his engine has two cylinders to the 482's single cylinder. I can certainly imagine his taking a strong exception to my ruling if he has been able to plow and till with it.
Perhaps, in some cases, we will just have to agree to disagree, or "to each his own," when attempting to distinguish a Lawn Tractor from a Garden Tractor.
IH seemed to include 482 together with the 582, 682, 782, and even 982 in their mowing deck manuals for the 38, 44C, and 50C decks, which would be understandable, since the task of mowing is shared by Lawn and Garden Tractors.
But when I went to Parts Lookup to see just what distinguished a 482 from the other members of the 82 series, I was rather surprised to find it could be equipped with a sleeve hitch.
So it would seem to fit part of Kraig's definition of a Garden tractor --it has a lift.
However when I pulled up the clutch components, I found the same components Lonny described for his 582 Special:
The combination shaft/right angle/belt/transaxle combination seemed to be identical to what is found on the 582 Special, which does not compare to what is found on the standard Model 582:
Which mates to the traditional IH Cub Cadet carrier assembly:
Although I won't post diagrams, the frames of the 582 and 582 Special differ slightly to accommodate the differences in the drive components. The Category 0 hitch available for the 582 is also more robust:
Since most of the Cub Cadet tractors used the simpler Sleeve Hitch shown above for the 482; the distinction between a Lawn and Garden Tractor, as far as this forum goes, seems to hinge on the configuration the drive/axle/carrier combination.
The automotive-style rear end is certainly a prominent feature and accounts for much of the weight of the traditional IH Cub Cadet (and CCC) tractors and would appear to meet or exceed the emphasized portion of Kraig's definition, --to EFFECTIVELY use ground-engaging equipment.
By this definition, Lonny's 582 Special would seem to be out of the running as a Garden Tractor, even though his engine has two cylinders to the 482's single cylinder. I can certainly imagine his taking a strong exception to my ruling if he has been able to plow and till with it.
Perhaps, in some cases, we will just have to agree to disagree, or "to each his own," when attempting to distinguish a Lawn Tractor from a Garden Tractor.
Jeremiah.
I take no insult when my 582 special is refered to as a lawn tractor, as it is better equiped for mowing lawn more so than any garden tractor IMHO. The 4 speed castiron tranny will hold up to any ground engaging equipment I hood to the tractor.
However due to the rules set forth way back when this great site was formed, certian modles where banished to the lawn tractor sector due to belts being used in part of the drive section and the size of the motor.
I have had many different modles of the IH cub cadet, 72, 100, 107, 2/102', 122, 123, 124, 126, & 127, have a 383 hydro cadet (lawn tractor) 582 special (lawn-garden tractor) and a 3235 garden tractor.
I now have the 582-special and 3235 as my only running tractors, the 72 & 100 sit in the barn needing fixing, the 102's, 122, 123 & 124 are gone, the 107, 127, & 383 hydro all sit out back in the weeds along with all maners of parts collected over the years for projects that never left the drawing board.
I take no insult when my 582 special is refered to as a lawn tractor, as it is better equiped for mowing lawn more so than any garden tractor IMHO. The 4 speed castiron tranny will hold up to any ground engaging equipment I hood to the tractor.
However due to the rules set forth way back when this great site was formed, certian modles where banished to the lawn tractor sector due to belts being used in part of the drive section and the size of the motor.
I have had many different modles of the IH cub cadet, 72, 100, 107, 2/102', 122, 123, 124, 126, & 127, have a 383 hydro cadet (lawn tractor) 582 special (lawn-garden tractor) and a 3235 garden tractor.
I now have the 582-special and 3235 as my only running tractors, the 72 & 100 sit in the barn needing fixing, the 102's, 122, 123 & 124 are gone, the 107, 127, & 383 hydro all sit out back in the weeds along with all maners of parts collected over the years for projects that never left the drawing board.
