CCC 1210 Electric PTO Clutch

[jdreaves]

A friend recently purchased a 1210 in Oxford, Alabama with a bad electric pto clutch. He left the pto/clutch assy at local mower repair shop for repair or replacement. The shop went out of business and his part was lost. In short, he needs an electric pto clutch assy that will fit and work in the 1210. However, all we can find cost more than the purchase price of the whole 1210, or just as much. Are there any alternative pto clutches that will fit and function in the model 1210 for less than $250 to $500 we are seeing here in Alabama?

 

[jchamberlin]

John-David, it may make a difference what serial number is on your friend's 1210. According to Parts Lookup (see link above), there were two versions of the 1210, and early one before S/N 756,300 and one from 756,300 to 799,999. Parts Lookup gives the same P/N for the replacement: 717-3044, so I'm not sure what difference there is between the two.

I would check out the offerings from your local tractor supply store. I know I've seen some clutches in there that I thought would work on my 782. In fact, the write-up on the 782 (1711, 1712, 784) PTO clutch on Parts Lookup reveals some particulars about how one new part can replace two old parts.
Finally, Charlie can source some of the individual parts which are no longer available from the dealer, like the bushing.

Anyway, here are some images and text relaying what I found in my searches.

Early 1210 PTO Clutch Assy

Late 1210 PTO Clutch Assy

Compare 782 PTO Clutch Assy

(Early, S/N 756-299 and earlier, together with 1282 and 680)
Tag Part # Description
-- ---- 717-3044 ------ CLUTCH ASM
-- ---- IH-181668 Bolt, 7/16-NF X 1-1/4 Type 5
-- ---- IH-180143 Bolt, 7/16 X 3/4 Type 5
-- ---- 736-0171 Washer, Lock, 7/16
-- ---- 711-3006 Stud, 7/16-14
01 ---- IH-223413-C1 Field Assembly
02 ---- IH-223408-C1 Rotor
03 ---- 759-3304 Armature
04 ---- 759-3305 Drum
05 ---- 759-3306 Kit, Spring
-- ---- IH-9413243 Nut, 3/8-NF Cad P/T Lock Type 5
06 ---- IH-27625-R1 Key, 1/4 X 5/8 Sq Parallel
07 ---- 736-3017 Washer


(Late, S/N 756-300 to 799,999)

Tag Part # Description
717-3044 PTO Clutch (Includes Ref No. 1, 2, 3, 4 & 5)
01 ---- 759-3300 Field
02 ---- 759-3301 Rotor
03 ---- 759-3304 Armature
04 ---- 759-3305 Drum, Brake
05 ---- 759-3306 Spring & Nut Kit
06 ---- 710-3030 Screw, Hex Cap, 7/16-14 X .75 Lg GR5
07 ---- 736-0171 Washer, Lock, 7/16
08 ---- 736-3086 Washer, Ext. Lock, .45 X .75 X .035 Thk
09 ---- 726-3008 Clamp, Cable
10 ---- 736-3017 Washer, Flat, .47 X 1.5 X .225 Thk
11 ---- 710-3029 Screw, Hex Cap, 7/16-20 X 1.25 Lg GR5
12 ---- 714-0119 Square key, 1/4 x .75lg

Cf. 1711, 1712, 782, 784
Tag Part # Description Qty
-- ---- 717-3044 CLUTCH ASM
-- ---- IH-181668 Bolt, 7/16-NF X 1-1/4 Type 5
-- ---- IH-180143 Bolt, 7/16 X 3/4 Type 5
-- ---- 736-0171 Washer, Lock, 7/16
-- ---- 711-3006 Stud, 7/16-14
01 ---- IH-223413-C1 Field Assembly | (Used in Clutch Assembly IH-144720-C91)
-- ---- 759-3300 Field Assembly | (Used in Clutch Assembly 717-3044)
02 ---- IH-223408-C1 Rotor | (Used in Clutch Assembly IH-144720-C91)
-- ---- 759-3301 Rotor | (Used in Clutch Assembly 717-3044)
03 ---- 759-3304 Armature | (Used in Clutch Assembly 717-3044)
-- ---- IH-223407 Armature | (Used in Clutch Assembly IH-144720-C91)
04 ---- 759-3305 Drum
05 ---- 759-3306 Kit, Spring
-- ---- IH-9413243 Nut, 3/8-NF Cad P/T Lock Type 5
06 ---- IH-27625-R1 Key, 1/4 X 5/8 Sq Parallel
07 ---- 736-3017 Washer

 

[jdreaves]

Thanks Jeremiah. I will ensure my friend, Herman, gets the information and we will research the links you provided, and luckily we do have a local Tractor Supply. Thank you for the parts breakdown comparison details you provided. They are a wealth of information for us. Hopefully, the 1210 will be fully operational soon? Not being an expert on Cub
Cadets, this probably is a far flung idea, but I have a 582 with an electric PTO. I don't use it except as a towing tractor. Would the electric PTO from it work in the 1210? Would the 582 be able to start and run without a PTO in the circuit? Just thought it would be worth a try?

 

[mgonitzke]

The difference may be K-series vs. Magnum engine. If it's a K-series, a clutch from a 1000/1200/1250/1450/1650 would work, although probably not with the 5/8" belt the 1210 uses.

I doubt a 782 clutch will work, as the crankshaft is 1 1/8" on a 782 and 1" on the K series singles. Not sure if the M12 is still a 1" crankshaft.

The 582 clutch probably won't work. If I remember correctly, the clutch on the Briggs engine in those is rather different. It's been awhile since I've worked on one. It makes no difference whether there is a PTO clutch installed as to whether or not it'll run.

 

[aschumacher]

Matt, got a 404 for MyCubSite finally fixed...

 

[jdreaves]

Thanks Matt. The reason I asked if the PTO would make a difference in the tractor running is because my 582 is having some more difficulties. I can get it to crank, but not start, by crossing the solenoid, but no matter what I do, I cannot get it to crank or start with a key. Had the wiring harness out and checked every connection on it - all passed. Even replaced the solenoid, just in case, but to no avail. Don't know how to bypass safety switches, so I can't tell if that's the problem, but had a mower mechanic to tell me it was probably the amp meter or the hour gauge, or possibly the PTO? He said the PTO could be causing all the problem?? But, you guys are the experts on Cub Cadets, not him. Do you have any guidance for me on my 582?

 

[mgonitzke]

John-

If I have some time tomorrow night I'll study a 582 wiring diagram and see if I can talk you through the start circuit (if someone doesn't beat me to it).

Allen-

You're right. Interesting. It used to work...

 

[kmcconaughey]

Matt, the link in your profile works, the link in your tag line does not.

I think I see why you've not been around here much. Nice job on the glider!

 

[mgonitzke]

Kraig-

Thanks! That did keep me busy, but not as busy as my decision to take night classes full-time (6 hours/night, 5 days/week) in addition to working full-time.

I think I fixed the link in my sig line. It worked for me in my most recent post.

JDR-

I don't really know what you mean by "checked the connections." I'm assuming that means everything is hooked up correctly and you checked the continuity of the wiring with a multimeter. Here is the 582 wiring diagram:

http://www.cubfaq.com/wiringdiagrams/582.jpg

It could be the ammeter. You can disconnect it and connect its two wires together temporarily to see. The hourmeter is not going to have anything to do with it since it is not in the circuit that energizes the solenoid. Make sure terminals C and D on the PTO switch have continuity with the switch off. If they don't, that is the problem. The clutch/brake safety switch is normally open, and should have continuity when depressed. If not, that's the problem.

 

[jdreaves]

Thanks again Matt. You are correct in that we checked for continuity thru every wire in the harness. I appreciate the additional information you provided to troubleshoot my system. Might get the 582 running yet?

John-David