ok, now the whole story. I decided not to use ramps and go with the tilt feature (like you do with a snow mobile). Well, I got it all the way up, then I tried to shift my weight forward to tilt it down, and there she went! right off the front. No damage. It landed on the lower grille frame. I went on and plowed a new garden for my niece. From now on I plan on using the ramps! And it took me and a friend to get it back on. Fun stuff