Painting the rims or not

[Bill Trammell]

Working on cleaning up my 1440 and not at all impressed with nose, hood and side panels as designed and built - during this I was preparing for rear wheel removal and sand blasting when I found like-new available ones. Chips and scrapes in paint. I repainted the inside of wheels and wire brushed inner lip bead sealing area - when I decided to ask you all this: Best to paint the inside bead seal or leave wire brushed. I intend on using tubeless new tires. Thoughts are certainly appreciated and welcomes. Thank you to all who have opinions.

 

[1811Cub]

I would say it is best to paint that area. No need for potential future pitting and damage due to rust. From the factory, most of them were fully covered.

 

[Bill Trammell]

I believe that I fully agree with you. Have rims nearly ready for painting the bead area --- bet that works great. Thank you.

 

[MARKS 1872 SGT]

I would say to paint them also, I worked for goodyear service and tire for a while when younger. the bead should be protected to prevent rust from forming. as a pretreatment I use a product called "ICI 1 STEP" brush on 2 coats 30mins. apart and it converts rust from an active oxide into a neutral carbon and it is primer / paint ready. about $70.00 per gallon but it goes a long way and works on and metal rusted surfaces. follow instructions and you can't go wrong!

 

[MARKS 1872 SGT]

p.s. a bead sealer is a good idea also, like the Permatex brush on gasket sealer adhesive (purple or brown both work- brown is a bit thicker) it fills minor voids and cleans up easy when servicing tire down the road. apply to the rubber tire bead.

 

[Curt Doles]

I would say to paint them also, I worked for goodyear service and tire for a while when younger. the bead should be protected to prevent rust from forming. as a pretreatment I use a product called "ICI 1 STEP" brush on 2 coats 30mins. apart and it converts rust from an active oxide into a neutral carbon and it is primer / paint ready. about $70.00 per gallon but it goes a long way and works on and metal rusted surfaces. follow instructions and you can't go wrong!

Hey Mark, Is that product similar to POR-15? I've used that on a number of jobs and was really happy with it. I did the battery box on my 2284 and spot painted some decks anf blades before repainting. The only difficulty was reopening a can that was used.

 

[MARKS 1872 SGT]

NEVER used the pro15 product so I cannot say for sure, I think por15 is a multiple step product from what I remember. so for now I can only recommend ICI 1 STEP from personal experience.

 

[dschwandt]

I have never used any of that stuff.
Don't it still leave the uneven rust and rust jacked covered surface??

I'd much rather see clean, uneven surface that can be properly primed and treated and painted and let the bead sealer do it's job

 

[1811Cub]

POR-15 is a band aid. Like David said, rather see the rust properly removed and painted with a quality topcoat.

 

[tgarner]

I have used POR-15 on ATV fuel tanks to plug pinhole leaks and it worked great for the next 12 years that we owned the ATV, I have also used it on rims off of 40 to 90 horse tractors. On the larger rims I wire brushed them good and then used POR-15 on them and it left a nice smooth surface and they have held up very well. I also used their clear coat on polished aluminum truck rims and after 8 years they still look great, in my opinion POR-15 is far more than a bandaid.

 

[dgeary]

I have used POR-15 on several projects including complete car frames. If the metal is prepped correctly, the POR is like powder coat. It will not come off unless you grind it off. You need some rust on the component as POR chemically bonds with it. One car frame was done thirty years ago and still looks good.
By proper prep, I'm referring to making sure all the loose rust has been removed. When I did my frame, I had it sandblasted. Then I applied a metal etch and rinsed it off with water. Left it sit for a couple of days to build up some rust flash. Painted it with a brush. POR can be topcoated with paint if desired.

 

[dschwandt]

If the metal is prepped correctly,

Key words here!!

 

[cub1961]

i’ve knocked it down with a wire wheel and then painted it with rust reformer paint and then used the majic paint IH white from TSC. be aware though that the majic stuff goes on like pancake batter and needs several days to dry properly. seems to hold up good for me.

 

[MARKS 1872 SGT]

well, I can only say this one last thing about ICI 1 STEP. it does not leave a thick coating on the metal, it is a liquid (like milk) penetrant which gets into the poor of the metal and converts rust chemically, works like Alodine to protect aluminum from corrosion on aircrafts. this is why i highly recommend this product. and as i said it is ready for primer / paint after easy brush application treatment. so, for a starter test run i have bought smaller quantity's for about $30.00 a quart. a small price to try out and let the product prove itself to you.

 

[Bill Trammell]

Thank you --- ALL. I just finished painting the beads on both wheels --- just happened to have barely enough in one spray can to do the job nicely. Now on to the hood and side panels. Nose has been reinforced, sanded and painted with cleaned lens and grill --- looks awesome === Bill

 

[dgeary]

Key words here!!

David,
The phrase is a bit subjective. Per POR instructions, one needs to wire brush all of the loose rust off of the component. The part also needs to be free of any oil or grease. The coating does require surface rust to be present. I typically clean all of the rust off just to get a better, cleaner surface. It lays down much nicer and dries smooth. Otherwise surface irregularities would be present. The main use would be for underbody components such as frame, suspension, floor pans, inner fenders, etc.
Compare that to painting, the metal needs to be absolutely clean and rust free. It also needs to be finished sanded with 320 grit or finer or else scratches will show up through any topcoat. Ideally, the first primer coat would be metal etch or epoxy primer. Sealer is also recommended prior to topcoat. Painting would be more labor intensive and expensive comparatively.
I've done both and POR is generally easier to work with as well as being more durable.

 

[Stevenovick1]

Sandblast Prime and paint. Or don’t bother doing anything else. After I painted my rims I used “Murphy’s oil soap tire bead sealer” That’s what we use in the auto field when mounting tires on aluminum rims. Seals good if it’s a problem slow leak

 

[Curt Doles]

Depending on the project, I'm a sandblast, a little wire brushing, POR and paint.

 

[MARKS 1872 SGT]

I located this cub cadet paint code chart for anybody who may be interested in it, hope it helps you all.

 

[MARKS 1872 SGT]

also, this link.

https://www.fecoservice.com/files/CUB_CADET_PAINT_1961-2007.pdf
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