Narrow or wide frame plow?

[Matthew Taylor]

Can some confirm that the plow in the attached image is for a narrow frame tractor?

 

[dschwandt]

Sure looks like a NF sub frame to me!
Although the lift bracket on the blade appears to stick out quite far like it would be for a WF

 

[hydroharry]

The blade itself has a lift bracket that is for a wide frame. I'm pretty certain the sub-frame is for a "Cadet" tractor (the lawn tractor). It's not made to attach to a narrow or wide frame Cub Cadet.

 

[tromaniecki]

Can some confirm that the plow in the attached image is for a narrow frame tractor?

I agree with dschwandt, looks like one to me too.
But could you post a picture showing the rest of the undercarriage please?
Something just does not look quite right like Harry pointed out.

 

[Matthew Taylor]

Attached are two more pictures.

I really appreciate the support from this forum!!

 

[tromaniecki]

Attached are two more pictures.

Thanks Matthew! that clears a lot up.
I now change my mind and agree totally with Harry.
For whatever it worth.....

 

[dschwandt]

Much better!!
The plow, yes, will fit either WF or NF
The sub frame as has been mentioned does not fit either.
What are you planning to put it on??

 

[Matthew Taylor]

I'm looking to put it on a model 70 Cub cadet.

 

[dschwandt]

Hang on, I'll get a picture for Ya.
If you are handy, you could modify that frame to fit.

 

[dschwandt]

And it should look similar to these pic's

 

[Matthew Taylor]

Wow that's informative!

Based on your diagram, I found a sub frame online available.

I'm a possum eatin' a sweet potato right now!!!

 

[tromaniecki]

David, I'd say you did a stellar job of redeeming yourself! Nice pic's!

this was the best I could come up with... and it beat to heck...

 

[tromaniecki]

 

[hydroharry]

HOLD on there guys -

Matthew - if you're mounting it to a Model 70 then you need the "frame extenders" (might not be correct name) shown as Item #19 in the parts diagram that David S posted. It's in the box marked "1963-1967". These little extenders are NOT shown in the actual pictures of the sub-frame he posted in the message below the diagram message.
I actually ordered these one time back in 1980something to use on a Model 122, and boy was I surprised. At that time I had no idea what these things looked like and the dealer didn't show me the parts diagram. When they came in they were painted IH Red and I figured they must have been some really old old old NOS. They are just 2 pieces of flat stock steel with 3 holes drilled in them. Maybe you can figure it out and make some duplicates if someone on here has a pair of those little buggers.

David S - you did a great job posted the diagram and the pics, but I sure gotta disagree with one of your comments. You said "if you are handy you could modify that frame to fit". I disagree. It's my opinion you'd have to be a metal genius to modify that Cadet sub-frame into a sub-frame for a Model 70. On the other hand, I know you're a metal genius based on a reproduction part you made and sent to me.
(Yes I did say "metal" genius, not mental )

 

[dschwandt]

If the laterals were the same size stock, that would be a piece of cake Harry, as long as one had the specs to copy.
The slots are no problem now that I have a mill.
Looks like the flat plate is near the same size.
And by the looks of it I'd have mat'l left over!!
Good to see you back on board!!

 

[Matthew Taylor]

It appears those extenders are still attached to the subframe I bought online.

Way to watch my six hydroharry!

Dshwandt and co. thanks for the support!!

 

[tromaniecki]

It appears those extenders are still attached to the subframe I bought online.

W

Matthew, please post a picture of that subframe you bought online.
Thanks.

 

[Matthew Taylor]

SUB FRAME ASSEMBLY IH 473919 R91

 

[tromaniecki]

Well , lookie at that!

Nice catch Harry.

Thanks Matthew for posting pic so quickly.

Harry or David, so what is item #21 listed in that same diagram used for on the 70 or 100? Also whats #23 for or called, I'm trying to install this frame on a 127. looks like I'm missing a piece.

I don't have the benefit of the description legend for part numbers for that diagram

 

[dschwandt]

They are both lift brackets.
21 is for blades up to 67 and 23 is 68 & after.
It bolts to the lift arm and slips onto/over the rock shaft