hydroharry
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$3.42 in the Seattle area - cheapest I can find at a Grocery Store no less. Drove on by Shell and Chevron at $3.69.
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And no the straights are going to be blocked by the rag heads when Obomma said no to a pipeline to Canada. Figure that one out. Shipping half way around the world or turn the spiggot on from Canada....our frinds.
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What do you think our largest export is?
Would you guess (maybe agriculture products)?
You would be wrong, it's Gasoline, Diesel, and jet fuel.
Makes you think don't it!
Would you guess (maybe agriculture products)?
You would be wrong, it's Gasoline, Diesel, and jet fuel.
Makes you think don't it!
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$3.39 here in central Iowa. Neat little bit of reading in the past few weeks.... Okay... The U.S. now uses LESS oil/fuel than in the past. Prices are going up to due to the rest of the world using more. ... As far as that nice little pipeline from Canada is concerned. Almost ALL the oil was to be sent overseas that traveled through the pipeline. Now the Canadians are trying to sell a cross country pipeline to their fellow Canadians with the oil going to the same "rest of the world" places. Even the Canadians are not all in agreement with the risks of spills, environemntal damage, etc. if the oil isn't going to benefit them. Some days I shouldn't be reading so darned much. It gives a "different" perspectiove of the world and how it actually revolves.
Off to work...
Off to work...
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$3.75 in eastern North Carolina; its getting close to the point where it makes me wonder if it is worthwhile for me to commute over 60 miles round trip every day of the week.
JEREMIAH - I did a 120 mile/day commute for six years, and a 150 mile/day commute before that for 2-1/2 yrs..... with a 3/4 ton 4X4 diesel pickup. With $1.50 to $1.85/gal fuel and almost 20 MPG from the ole' PSD I couldn't justify a more economical way to work. Fast forward to 2005 and the $4 gas & $5 fuel. I was driving my 30-32 MPG car by then and the truck was semi-retired.
I've only put $100 worth of fuel in the truck ONCE, filled one tank and put a couple gallon in the other tank. When I got the truck back in June '96 I was filling up both tanks for $40-$45.
For long cummutes it's really hard not to look at something like a VW Jetta TDI or Golf TDI. Wish the auto co's would forget about Hybrids and work on clean diesel technology without all this Diesel exhaust fluid crap and soot particulate burners that inject fuel into the exhuast to burn up the soot particles. The new diesels run so clean the inside of the exhaust pipe doesn't even get dirty.
From what I've read 80% of the cars in Europe are diesel because they're economical to run. They also have different exh. emmission regulations for diesel's than they do for gas engines. The US tries to hold the diesel engine to the same standards as gas engines.
There's NO macro-economic sense to this E85 fuel, or even E10. The cost to reduce the amount of imported oil by using shell corn to make ethanol to bolster our gasoline supply gets hidden in the cost of our groceries. ANYTHING made with corn which now sells off the farm for $4-$5/bushel compared to the $2.50/$3/bu of years ago is passed onto US at the check out counter. But the farmers are liking it as well as the ag equipment companies and dealers. New farm equipment is selling better than it has since 1979.
I've only put $100 worth of fuel in the truck ONCE, filled one tank and put a couple gallon in the other tank. When I got the truck back in June '96 I was filling up both tanks for $40-$45.
For long cummutes it's really hard not to look at something like a VW Jetta TDI or Golf TDI. Wish the auto co's would forget about Hybrids and work on clean diesel technology without all this Diesel exhaust fluid crap and soot particulate burners that inject fuel into the exhuast to burn up the soot particles. The new diesels run so clean the inside of the exhaust pipe doesn't even get dirty.
From what I've read 80% of the cars in Europe are diesel because they're economical to run. They also have different exh. emmission regulations for diesel's than they do for gas engines. The US tries to hold the diesel engine to the same standards as gas engines.
There's NO macro-economic sense to this E85 fuel, or even E10. The cost to reduce the amount of imported oil by using shell corn to make ethanol to bolster our gasoline supply gets hidden in the cost of our groceries. ANYTHING made with corn which now sells off the farm for $4-$5/bushel compared to the $2.50/$3/bu of years ago is passed onto US at the check out counter. But the farmers are liking it as well as the ag equipment companies and dealers. New farm equipment is selling better than it has since 1979.
Around here "today" e85 is about the same, if not 1-3 cents higher than regular no lead. My Flex Fuel car gets about 2-4 <u>less</u> MPG on e85. So unless the e85 is .35 -.50 cheaper than regular no lead........ I'm going regular.
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Sunday in Rockford, IL when I went to work at 2:15 pm gas at Citgo was $3.49 then 8,3/4 hours later at 11pm it went down to $3.33.
thats 16 cents in less than 9 hours
then I went exactly 4 miles west to Winnabago, Il and it was still 3.49 at two other stations
thats 16 cents in less than 9 hours
then I went exactly 4 miles west to Winnabago, Il and it was still 3.49 at two other stations
TOM - I've posted this link here before, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
Just about ANYTHING you add to gasoline that the engine can burn reduces the heat put out by the fuel which reduces economy & lowers MPG. Even the more volatile winter blend gas has fewer BTU's/gallon so reduces MPG.
There's cheaper ways to make ethanol to reduce our gas/oil use than distilling shell corn. We just need to invest in that technology. Making it from wood waster products, waste grasses, even corn stalks after combining makes more sense that what we're doing now.
The E85 was/is a good idea, ethanol is a great engine fuel in a lot of ways, but you have to burn a whole lot more of it to equal gasoline's performance. Without the Gov't subsidies the enthanol is more expensive to produce than gasoline.
Just too bad we're sending so much of our gasoline off-shore like Richard says. I guess the oil companies have to make their Billions of Dollars any way they can.
Just about ANYTHING you add to gasoline that the engine can burn reduces the heat put out by the fuel which reduces economy & lowers MPG. Even the more volatile winter blend gas has fewer BTU's/gallon so reduces MPG.
There's cheaper ways to make ethanol to reduce our gas/oil use than distilling shell corn. We just need to invest in that technology. Making it from wood waster products, waste grasses, even corn stalks after combining makes more sense that what we're doing now.
The E85 was/is a good idea, ethanol is a great engine fuel in a lot of ways, but you have to burn a whole lot more of it to equal gasoline's performance. Without the Gov't subsidies the enthanol is more expensive to produce than gasoline.
Just too bad we're sending so much of our gasoline off-shore like Richard says. I guess the oil companies have to make their Billions of Dollars any way they can.
....And then there's the issuse of shipping oil from hostile countries halfway around the world vs. running a pipline from our friends to the north basically turning on the spiggot. Way to go US politicians. 8-(
Another fuel screw up the gov did is on Ultra low sulfer diesel.
The mandated lowering of the sulfer level to 15 ppm resulted in a win-win for the oil companies.
Since it requires reletively little cost to bring it even further down to 10 ppm, they do so, thus making an exportable product to European nations where 10 ppm is required.
So 100,000 or so barrels of refined diesel heads over seas daily for a premium price also creating a shortage / premium price here.
Remember when diesel was cheaper than gas?
Win-win slick oil companys, Government sponsored piracy.
The mandated lowering of the sulfer level to 15 ppm resulted in a win-win for the oil companies.
Since it requires reletively little cost to bring it even further down to 10 ppm, they do so, thus making an exportable product to European nations where 10 ppm is required.
So 100,000 or so barrels of refined diesel heads over seas daily for a premium price also creating a shortage / premium price here.
Remember when diesel was cheaper than gas?
Win-win slick oil companys, Government sponsored piracy.
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Gas was suddenly up a DIME here at the station near my house this morning ($3.59/gal) yet none of the other stations I pass during my 35-mile commute had gone up from 3.49 and one was still at 3.43.
This is going to be "fun".......
This is going to be "fun".......
RICK - Yes, I remember buying #2 diesel fuel when I was driving big truck in the early/mid-1980's for $0.40-$0.50/gallon. I remember the day I paid $0.60/gal telling another driver I didn't thnk the company would be around much longer if fuel prices stayed that high. I was right, my truck only got 3-1/2 to 4-1/4 MPG tops.
I got my '96 Powerstroke June 27th, 1996. Fueled it up the first time July 4th, '96. Think I paid about $0.90-95/gallon.
I don't remember exactly what diesel fuel cost back in the 1960's & 1970's when Dad was farming and I was doing fieldwork for neighbor's, but I'm pretty sure my $2/hour wages cost way more than the five gallons of fuel the 4020-D's were burning in an hour. But back then I could fill up my '70 Nova's gas tank with Premium gas, pay for the 15-16 gallon with a $20 Bill and the change was fun money for the week! I remember the Premium was around $0.40/gal.
I got my '96 Powerstroke June 27th, 1996. Fueled it up the first time July 4th, '96. Think I paid about $0.90-95/gallon.
I don't remember exactly what diesel fuel cost back in the 1960's & 1970's when Dad was farming and I was doing fieldwork for neighbor's, but I'm pretty sure my $2/hour wages cost way more than the five gallons of fuel the 4020-D's were burning in an hour. But back then I could fill up my '70 Nova's gas tank with Premium gas, pay for the 15-16 gallon with a $20 Bill and the change was fun money for the week! I remember the Premium was around $0.40/gal.
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Just bounced up to $3.49 this morning...
Thank you Mr Oboma for not signing the bill that would have started the movement for the pipeline from Canada, WHO BTW, ARE OUR <u>FREINDS</u> NOT THE CRAZY RAGHEADS THAT HATE US and a wanting to blockade the Suez Canal where the oils flow though.
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Back When This Thread Started:
By Lewis Palma (Lpalma) on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 08:10 pm:
$2.97 here in dover n.j.
By Brian Lanasa (Blanasa) on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 07:27 pm:
They're practically giving away gas in Baltimore. Paid $3.16 at Safeway for regular.(That's without the .03 discount using my Safeway card)
By Lewis Palma (Lpalma) on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 08:10 pm:
$2.97 here in dover n.j.
By Brian Lanasa (Blanasa) on Thursday, October 09, 2008 - 07:27 pm:
They're practically giving away gas in Baltimore. Paid $3.16 at Safeway for regular.(That's without the .03 discount using my Safeway card)
LUTHER - When Dad had the Farmall 450 gas he had two 300 gal gas barrels. One spring when I was off school for a week for spring break I did so much field work with the 450 that I burned a whole 300 gal barrel of gas in about 5 days. The 450 had a 21 gal tank and burned between 4 & 5 gal/hr working hard, so I gassed up first thing every morning, again at Noon, and about 4-4:30 I'd either run home for gas or Dad would bring 10-15 gal out to the field.
Biggest GAS HOG I ever ran was a 4020-G the neighbor had. One night I went out plowing with that tractor in an 80 acre field about 8 PM. I made 16 rounds in four hours and burned between 30 & 32 gal of gas from a 34 gal tank, by MIDNIGHT, back up to the barrel and gassed up and went back to plowing, about 4:30 AM I'm back gassing up again when he comes out to start doing chores. Then DAD shows up and helped me decide I needed to go home for the night because MOM was worried about me. On the north end of the field I was about a half mile from our house but Mom was nervous about me working all night. She could have seen me from her second floor windows except for the fact I ran without lights except when turning on the headlands. Had a full moon that night, I didn't need lights to see. If I'd had the 4020 diesel or 4320 I'd have plowed a WHOLE lot more and burned a whole lot less fuel. I was running about 4 MPH with the gas tractor and burning about 7-1/2 gal/hr and the diesel's would run over 5 MPH and burn about 5 gal/hour.
I hate to think what the BIG Minny-Mo LP gas 4X4 tractors burned per hour, they had a 100 gal. LP tank feeding their 504 CID in-line 6. I imagine they burned around 15-16 gal/hour, so probably needed fueling every 6 to 6-1/2 hours. You can't carry five gal cans of LP gas to the field real easily.
Biggest GAS HOG I ever ran was a 4020-G the neighbor had. One night I went out plowing with that tractor in an 80 acre field about 8 PM. I made 16 rounds in four hours and burned between 30 & 32 gal of gas from a 34 gal tank, by MIDNIGHT, back up to the barrel and gassed up and went back to plowing, about 4:30 AM I'm back gassing up again when he comes out to start doing chores. Then DAD shows up and helped me decide I needed to go home for the night because MOM was worried about me. On the north end of the field I was about a half mile from our house but Mom was nervous about me working all night. She could have seen me from her second floor windows except for the fact I ran without lights except when turning on the headlands. Had a full moon that night, I didn't need lights to see. If I'd had the 4020 diesel or 4320 I'd have plowed a WHOLE lot more and burned a whole lot less fuel. I was running about 4 MPH with the gas tractor and burning about 7-1/2 gal/hr and the diesel's would run over 5 MPH and burn about 5 gal/hour.
I hate to think what the BIG Minny-Mo LP gas 4X4 tractors burned per hour, they had a 100 gal. LP tank feeding their 504 CID in-line 6. I imagine they burned around 15-16 gal/hour, so probably needed fueling every 6 to 6-1/2 hours. You can't carry five gal cans of LP gas to the field real easily.
